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  • birdie
    Banned
    • Jul 2008
    • 3368

    #41
    Originally posted by haagch View Post
    Maybe one day I will create a website to write up everything that is wrong with this list.
    Yeah, please, do. Also, I would love a list where all the problems are magically resolved (including dozens of open bug reports (some of which are now ten(!) years old), missing features (like revoke()), unstable APIs (or I should I say no API compatibility at all?), etc. etc. etc.). And your list will surely attract hundreds of ISVs because the portrayal of Linux over there is surely not what the real world is.

    Originally posted by haagch View Post
    strg+f pulseaudio:

    I don't understand his abstractions. The application outputs to a pulseaudio backend. And then it goes to an alsa library. Okay. Then it goes to a pulseaudio server? Huh? Then it goes to an alsa library. Why? It's more like 2.5 layers.
    Application -> Pulseaudio Server -> alsa userspace (why would it go through dmix when pulseaudio is used?) -> alsa kernel driver
    Phonon is a "layer of abstraction"? AFAIK it's just a framework that allows telling applications which audio backend to use and which configuration to use. I.e. it's not a "layer of abstraction" but a library that is used to implement your application.
    You don't need to understand these layers, while people will continue struggling with the audio subsystem in Linux.


    Originally posted by haagch View Post
    I bought a USB DAC (Dr. DAC nano) and out of curiosity if it works tried 96 KHz 24 bit output. Of course it worked. Why wouldn't it?

    aoss, padsp
    Yeah, your anecdotal evidence automagically resolves the issues other people have. Apparently your voice is all that matters, right?

    Until Linux users and developers are in denial about the status quo, Linux will be a sh*thole it currently is.

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    • pal666
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2013
      • 9177

      #42
      Originally posted by haagch View Post
      if it works tried 96 KHz 24 bit output
      audiofool detected

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      • haagch
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2014
        • 961

        #43
        Originally posted by pal666 View Post
        And I was so careful to say "out of curiosity if it works"...

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        • DMJC
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 594

          #44
          Linux is not a mess....

          There is no mess on Linux. Seriously Linux being a mess is a stupid argument. Linux has what Windows would if it became open source.it has a win32 layer (wine), an OSX layer (darling), msdos layer, dosbox/dosemu. Amiga layer (AROS installed on Linux/AWM). GTK, GNUstep and QT layers. I don't know why people think that some magical unified desktop environment is ever going to happen on Windows/Linux. Because it's not going to. Linux is really the only platform that's trying to incorporate every major computing platform ever developed into itself. I can guarantee that the second the code to Windows is available, someone will start trying to port all those applications/desktops into Windows. The real problem is that each of these platforms only has a few certain apps created for it, none of them has every single app you need/want. Also, recreating an entire computing platform is a massive multi-year possibly multi-decade project and people throw themselves into these things without understanding how long it's going to take. There is no mess, there's just a gnustep project that's 80% complete, a wine project that's 70% complete, a bunch of other environments at other levels of completion, and a huge number of missing productivity applications which are missing from all of these projects.

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          • wizard69
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 2236

            #45
            Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
            For what it's worth, Microsoft released the source code to huge portions of the XP kernel under educational licenses.

            That said, I don't expect them to ever release Windows, or even parts of it, under any open source licenses. Too many outside developers will seize the chance to propose major API and ABI breakage with every release and I'm certain Microsoft will have none of that.
            The biggest problem with Windows is MicroSoft desire to maintain 100% compatibility way back to god knows when. with respect to commercial software, if one look at what Apple has done over the years we can see that just maybe that obsession with the past is a bad thing. the Mac OS of today has nothing in common with the original Macs other than where the menu bar is. They then took what was Mac OS and pared and tried to make IOS which is again a successful product.

            If you look at Linux the story is much the same, a lot of code has ended up in the dust bin. Some user interface API's have been completely deprecated. In general there is more, much more really desire to move forward on Linux than on Windows.

            As a user of all three systems Windows is by far the most frustrating of the bunch. But here is the big gotcha, at work I absolutely need that backwards compatibility. Much of the hardware I support just doesn't have support on Windows past XP. At least not without hacking a solution. You can't just buy new hardware either as sometimes replacements don't exist or are extremely expensive (we a talking big capital purchases here). So I see the flip side of the Windows problem everyday.

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            • wizard69
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 2236

              #46
              Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
              Windows is still as closed as it can be as of today and I am already thinking very hard about going back to it for good.
              Why Windows. Of all of the systems that I sue Windows is by far the worst from the usability standpoint. Maybe I'm brain damaged from the realities of the UNIX/Linux worlds but there is to much that is screwed up on Windows for the long haul.

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              • asdfblah
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 534

                #47
                Originally posted by DMJC View Post
                There is no mess on Linux. [...].
                There is a lack of resources.

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                • wizard69
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 2236

                  #48
                  Originally posted by birdie View Post
                  What weed are you smoking? Tablets are only good for getting content off the web, but they totally suck in regard to creating anything of value.
                  People run their businesses off iPhones and iPads. The productivity that you can derive for a tablet (any tablet) depends upon how you realize your productivity.
                  No designer, architect, web designer, engineer, anyone who does anything remotely productive will ever use these stupid fondle slabs.
                  Yet they do and frankly have benefited for thinking different.
                  Desktop is not going anywhere. It's dying only in the fevered imagination of Apple fanboys who believe that the iPad is the pinnacle of computing. It's not. On the contrary it's at the bottom of computing.
                  The desktop is being reimagined in many cases. It certainly won't go anywhere but mobility is huge be it an "i" device or a more traditional laptop. I'd go so far as to say that apps for cell phones are just in their infancy as far as what they can do. The hardware will certainly improve to the point that there will be no real limits on what apps can do for people in need of productivity tools.

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                  • wizard69
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 2236

                    #49
                    Originally posted by Passso View Post
                    I saw a lot of videos on TV where I see those people do their critical job on iPad.
                    This is an evidence that a tablet can now transform the world into the greatest experience ever.
                    The other part of this is that mechanics, electronics technician, plumbers or what ever doing try to do their job with just one tool. Instead they grab the best tool for the job, this concept seems to be something the computing world can't grasp. Why anybody would be so wrapped up in one solution to ignore the value in other solutions is beyond me. The fact that people can't see the iPads as perfectly valid solutions to many problems just demonstrates how closed minded they are.
                    Maybe one day we could save the dolphin and help elephants to empale bad people who want to steal their ivory, and whales will be so happy because we can actually change the world with new tablets.

                    Who knows, we live in such a beautiful world, a few milliseconds ago I read on a serious website that "Microsoft Could One Day Potentially Open-Source Windows". The world is changing... oh yeah, it is changing so fast.

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                    • gotwig
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2013
                      • 176

                      #50
                      Originally posted by belal1 View Post
                      what we need is a very CHEAP windows subscription. I'd be happy to pay $20 a year for access to 3 licenses of windows if it means it comes without all the crapware that's normally installed and includes updates and what not. I'd also like it to tie very closely with skydrive so that like chromeOS, my data that I choose, is up in a secured vault for my own self. Why don't I want an open-source windows? because I like the fact that a single company has some control over the backwards compatibility of windows and not a bunch of individuals who disagree with each other and forks their version. I like the fact that I can take my old windows applications, install it in windows 7, and it still works. For that to happen, someone's gotta get paid to do the job and that's why a subscription model works but it has to be CHEAP enough so that people actually don't mind paying for it, a la netflix which is so cheap for what you get that people like myself don't mind shelling the sub $10 a month fee.

                      "what we need is a very CHEAP windows subscription." .

                      Just Stop, wrong forum.

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