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  • Devuan Is Still Moving Along As A Debian Fork Without Systemd

    Phoronix: Devuan Is Still Moving Along As A Debian Fork Without Systemd

    The Devuan fork of Debian is progressing as Debian GNU/Linux without systemd present on the system...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTg3MTg

  • #2
    Wow, it seems someone who hates systemd is actually putting in the time to make the whole stack to avoid systemd. Alternatives are always great in the long run if something doesn't pan out. However, that still means they will be dependent on one specific stack anyways. Sure, that stack wouldn't be under one "umbrella" project name like systemd but it seems this one project will be upstream for all of these "separate" tools that are necessary to avoid the separate systemd binaries. Was the problem with systemd: (1) it's different or (2) the idea that each binary was going to depend on each other? If they are successful, they will "own" the "non-systemd" stack and it will be the same problem wouldn't?

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    • #3
      Should have been called DeBUAAAAHn instead.

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      • #4
        all history resumed:

        http://www.commitstrip.com/wp-conten...alenglish3.jpg

        regards

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CTown View Post
          Wow, it seems someone who hates systemd is actually putting in the time to make the whole stack to avoid systemd. Alternatives are always great in the long run if something doesn't pan out. However, that still means they will be dependent on one specific stack anyways. Sure, that stack wouldn't be under one "umbrella" project name like systemd but it seems this one project will be upstream for all of these "separate" tools that are necessary to avoid the separate systemd binaries. Was the problem with systemd: (1) it's different or (2) the idea that each binary was going to depend on each other? If they are successful, they will "own" the "non-systemd" stack and it will be the same problem wouldn't?
          They just want to own the alternative stack, since nobody else was. It's fine that way, since it gives them a central place to develop their alternative stack and allow developers to continue making their applications portable. This is probably for the best, since it makes everybody happy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by vadix View Post
            They just want to own the alternative stack, since nobody else was. It's fine that way, since it gives them a central place to develop their alternative stack and allow developers to continue making their applications portable. This is probably for the best, since it makes everybody happy.
            Good luck for them - I mean it.
            The anti-systemd camp has been very vocal about their "right-to-choose" being forcibly taken by systemd. Now they have a home.
            Hopefully, the huge amount of negative energy that flooded all Linux related forums and sites in past two years will be translated into positive development work, making Devuan a viable alternative to systemd based distributions.

            BTW, Devuan main page has a clear statement prohibiting anti-systemd trolling. Hats off to them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tuxd3v View Post
              The absolutely worst parts of all political "humour" wrapped in one... congrats, you've made comics boring.

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              • #8
                Nice to see progress with Devuan.

                "Now they have a home."
                Those who don't want a linux system with Systemd have some choices:
                • Gentoo and derivates such as Calculate, Funtoo (but some derivates like Sabayon use it)
                • Slackware and derivates such as Salix, Porteus
                • PCLinuxOS
                • Puppy
                • Elive
                • Crux
                • Guix (without stable release)
                • Alpine (more a server distro)


                Nevertheless nice if we can add a debian derivate in a year.

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                • #9
                  And next Year we see a Fork from Devuan with the target to integrate Systemd.

                  *scnr*

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                  • #10
                    Best wishes to devuan

                    As an outside observer who happens to not have anything against systemd, I'm very happy that systemd-skeptics now also have a debian-derived system they can use and contribute to.

                    Better their energy be harnessed positively to make some sort of creative progress in their chosen direction than having them be frustrated at feeling steamrolled by the perceived tidal wave of change that is systemd.

                    I wish devuan and its users and contributors all the best and hope that the project will thrive and become fruitful.

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