Devuan: Debian Without Systemd

[HeavensRevenge]

People need to stop calling a derivatve a damn fork

Ubuntu is a distro/derivative and and all other distros based off of Debian are also just a derivative, this is not special enough to call it a "fork" and never was. Saying "fork" makes it sound like it's serious or negative in some way, derivatives pop up all the time... it's how our damn open source ecosystem works. Please start calling this a derivative distro vs a fork, forking in this context makes it sound negative for your click-bate BS, thanks.

[Marc Driftmeyer]

Grown men acting like children. In less than a year this fork will be history.

[MartinK]

I think most people don't really know what it takes to run a real full fledged distro.
So I guess we will see if this project is an exception of another confirmation of this theory.

[Xaero_Vincent]

The problem with systemd and its Linux kernel dependance as it pertains to Debian is that it inhibits Debian from remaining a kernel choice OS.

Debian is not just about using the Linux kernel but also hopes to support the FreeBSD kernel (kFreeBSD) and even ...gasp... Hurd.

Devuan might be the answer that will allow the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and Debian GNU/Hurd ports to continue existing.

[MartinK]

The problem with systemd and its Linux kernel dependance as it pertains to Debian is that it inhibits Debian from remaining a kernel choice OS.

Debian is not just about using the Linux kernel but also hopes to support the FreeBSD kernel (kFreeBSD) and even ...gasp... Hurd.

Devuan might be the answer that will allow the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and Debian GNU/Hurd ports to continue existing.

Sure, that can indeed be an issue. But on the other hand it is important to consider the "costs" and benefits of this. If the cost is being left behind by other distributions due to the alternative kernels preventing you from using modern OS components...

What I mean is that you need to draw a line somewhere - that is of course a decision of contributors of the given project, but it needs to be done. And sometimes the needed consensus for this can't be reached and thus forks.

[somini]

Of course, we all know the one true religion is using sysvint with 10 different alternative to logind/dbus, all hail the mighty POSIX shell God!

PIDfiles for the PIDfile god!

[somini]

Grown men acting like children. In less than a year this fork will be history.

I guess a couple of hours is less than a year.
A year is just too long, by that time the server went down without anyone to fix it and the domain name expired.

[Dukenukemx]

Can someone explain this systemd vs init?

[schmidtbag]

Wow.
We've gotten to the point where we fork distros instead of uninstalling packages?

yep getting pretty annoying, though not as bad as stuff like "Ubuntu Christian Edition", where it's basically just ubuntu with some additional software slapped on.


Seriously there needs to be a new way of setting up distributions. I propose that instead of making entire distros, people create meta packages that install everything you want that differs from the core install of the base distro, and configures everything for you. By doing this, we could wipe out 90% of all distros.

The problem with linux being so easily redistributable is people just do it regardless of how redundant or useless their distro is.

[oneofone]

Ubuntu is a distro/derivative and and all other distros based off of Debian are also just a derivative, this is not special enough to call it a "fork" and never was. Saying "fork" makes it sound like it's serious or negative in some way, derivatives pop up all the time... it's how our damn open source ecosystem works. Please start calling this a derivative distro vs a fork, forking in this context makes it sound negative for your click-bate BS, thanks.

Actually it is a fork, made by a group of ex-debian admins, they even say that in their announcement.

Maybe you should actually read before crying about click-bating? https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/messag...5acc3a.en.html