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Lennart Poettering On The Open-Source Community: A Sick Place To Be In
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Originally posted by mo0n_sniper View PostNot exactly.
If your current distribution is using systemd by default, you can remove it and install an other init software (systemV or whatever..). Or you can switch distribution.
The packagers that do the hard work choose systemd as default as their choice, you as an user can install other software.
I happen to be using Gentoo, so I'm alright, but beyond Gentoo, who else still supports and will support non-systemd installations?
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Originally posted by FireBurn View PostHaving vitreous rants about systemd won't stop its adoption - it's very good at what it does - its a single way to bring up, configure and maintain a system
It's a god send to system admins and I can't wait for it to be an industry standard
I mean, seriously, NTP support as part of the init system?!
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Originally posted by LubosD View PostAnd at the same time, it is the biggest problem. You forego the possibility to use different components to do the job.
I mean, seriously, NTP support as part of the init system?!
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Originally posted by RahulSundaram View PostOk. Let's talk about context.
"Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!)"
How does context help here? How is this not literal?Originally posted by Naib View Posthttp://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs...o.20130215.txt
That is not the Linux community wanting to hire a hitman OR even hiring one...
^^ read above.
Also, you know that udev depends on systemd, right? It's not like you can just go and replace it...
Oh, and regarding systemd: it doesn't add any new features (every "feature" it adds was already there, and/or came from a completely unrelated project), so learning about it IS a waste of time. Of course, RedHat employees, those who got a certification and those who work with RHEL have to, somehow, justify their wages...
Why don't you leave if you hate Linux (the software, Linus himself and the community) so much, is beyond me...
And finally: if you think everyone who disagrees with you is a troll, you should look at the mirror for a while, and think about it.Last edited by asdfblah; 07 October 2014, 08:17 AM.
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Originally posted by Naib View PostI did watch it, twice. My point is how Lennard interupted is beyond rude.
The whole presentation was a big rant of the kind "I don't actually know how this stuff works and why it is the way it is, but I nevertheless don't like it". He repeatedly ranted about software Lennart was involved in, made false claims, asks Lennart and obviously did not even listen to Lennart's answers. Datenwolf was just trying to push his rants through even while Lennart was still explaining.
Quite frankly, even though it might not have been polite by Lennart, the whole presentation got so much more value by Lennart explaining why things were done in certain ways. Without that it would have been just a unqualified rant like you can read in forums like this every day by people who don't know a thing about what they're ranting.
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asdfblah, nobody will have a discussion with you. You just disqualify completely with your first paragraph. Let me just say this: Red Hat has done an awful lot for Linux. In fact, without Red Hat, there'd most likely be no Linux as we know it. Without you, it'd just be one less person complaining about stuff they put no work or money into.
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Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!).
Feb 14 2013 18:21:23 <WizardNumberNext> udev - that seams to be work of some alien! I do not understand this lanuage at all. I think, if that shit would happen, i am going to put all my interfaces on bridge and build brtables and arptables to get back both sensul name and normal NIC behavour
Feb 14 2013 18:21:51 <kerio> how expensive is a hitman?
Feb 14 2013 18:22:03 <kerio> we can pool some bitcoins
Feb 14 2013 18:26:42 <Pali> cut his hands, so he will not be able to write any new line of code
Feb 14 2013 18:29:29 <kerio> Pali: there's speech-to-text now
Feb 14 2013 18:29:40 <kerio> i believe that any solution has to be more... radical
Feb 14 2013 18:30:52 <DocScrutinizer05> i'm afraid redhat would pull a clone out of their fridge if anything ever happened to poettering
Feb 14 2013 18:30:56 <kerio> hahaha
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Originally posted by LubosD View PostAnd at the same time, it is the biggest problem. You forego the possibility to use different components to do the job.
I mean, seriously, NTP support as part of the init system?!Originally posted by Naib View PostOr a httpd? OR even planned cloud integration? http://0pointer.de/public/gnomeasia2014.pdf There are things that just should not be in an init system (or init+daemon manager as that is what systemd is) but its gone beyond too far now.
Wow, the information that systemd (the project, not the init system) is aiming at being a basic OS build system, mostly targetting its functionality at running containers, is available for ages but it still has not reached you?
Also, if you don't like NTP or HTTP being a part of systemd (again, the project, not the init system) than either compile systemd with the appropriate switches to leave that out, or, if you are running a binary distribution, just don't use it. Nobody is forcing you to run those services.
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