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  • sdack
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    Originally posted by interested View Post
    To sum up; the systemd opponents lost because they only focused on attacking systemd, not on making an alternative to its functions or the problems they solve.
    There was not a fight. Maybe in your head there is, but there might be an entire battle going on we only do not know about. It simply was decided by a few to ship it out with many distros. Until then did hardly anyone care for what a few developers do in their time.

    People are protesting for various reasons. They are protesting against the lack of choice, because it was adopted by so many distros at once and without giving an alternative. They are protesting, because it does not solve problems, which also do not exist for everyone, but it cures symptoms, which come from problems caused by many years of neglect and short-sightedness in the designs of software packages, or I could just call it an excessive abuse of freedom. In most parts are these problems being created by the distros themselves, who are constantly trying to cram too much under one hat, making compromises everywhere, until they need to grasp for a solution like a drowning man grasps for a straw. There is nothing desirable about this, and it is not in the responsibility of the users to offer a solution to the problems created by the distros themselves.

    Is it getting better with systemd? A few seconds faster boot up and shutdown times seem to indicate an answer for many users, but to anyone with a bit of knowledge of software design and who is capable of looking deeper does immediately show the old problems it is going to bring back.

    Is it worth protesting? It is worth for those who do not wish to end up with yet another monopolist or only hate having twisted and compromising software on their computers. To those who cannot care for it or to whom it is of no meaning is a protest certainly of no value whatsoever. All they can protest against is the protest itself. In this sense are we all united.

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  • drSeehas
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    launchd

    Originally posted by Awesomeness View Post
    No, launchd won.
    +1
    I am still waiting for Open Launchd.

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  • jbernardo
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    As it was too late to edit my post, here is the rest of it:

    "We want our images to be trustable (i.e. signed). In fact we want a fully trustable OS, with images that can be verified by a full trust chain from the firmware (EFI SecureBoot!), through the boot loader, through the kernel, and initrd. Cryptographically secure verification of the code we execute is relevant on the desktop (like ChromeOS does), but also for apps, for embedded devices and even on servers (in a post-Snowden world, in particular)." (http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-...x-systems.html)

    With this, we will no longer have linux. We'll have a tivo, that only runs something mandated by the hardware seller, and that the user can't change. Right now, I can replace the firmware on my routers with DD-WRT, or Tomato, or whatever else. I can install plain linux on a chromebook. I can install linux on a laptop. With this? Possibly the only linux allowed will redhat, and all ARM devices will become non-upgradeable/customisable appliances, to throw away every year as they become "obsolete".
    Am I the only one who is scared of this "tivoisation" by design? Apparently for the lennart-fans here, this is a "good thing"(tm).

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  • jbernardo
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    Originally posted by valeriodean View Post
    The init war is over, systemd won. End of story.
    Goodbye Linux, it was nice using you for the last 15 years.

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  • interested
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    Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
    And 90% of the thread is systemd fanboys gloating over that. Though I can't say I'm surprised.
    Systemd won because it was technically better than anything else available for Linux. That it won such a total landslide victory, is solely the systemd opponents fault. Their almost total focus on negative campaigning against systemd was sure to lead to their defeat.

    If the systemd opponents had concentrated their efforts on making alternatives to the problems systemd solves, there could have been some kind of competition to it this day.

    But one of the consequences of a waging a "holy war" against systemd is that no opponent can admit that systemd have many appealing features that solves real world problems. Without really studying systemd in detail, and without realising its many alluring aspects, no alternative can even be formulated.

    Making cursory glances at the systemd features like "socket activation" and claiming that is the same as "inetd", isn't a proper analysis of systemd; not only is it wrong, but it also prevents systemd opponents from make an alternative to systemd's "socket activation". It also make people who knows both methods, to shake their head at the systemd opponents wrong claims.

    Sticking the head in the sand and ignoring upstream projects plea for having a working, maintained alternative to logind (or ConsoleKit) has been utterly ignored. Instead the systemd opponents started a negative campaign against the upstream projects if they dared using systemd features. So they would make hate attacks against Gnome for using logind, but without offering an alternative that Gnome could use instead.

    To sum up; the systemd opponents lost because they only focused on attacking systemd, not on making an alternative to its functions or the problems they solve.
    Last edited by interested; 14 September 2014, 07:09 PM.

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  • sdack
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    Originally posted by prodigy_ View Post
    And 90% of the thread is systemd fanboys gloating over that. Though I can't say I'm surprised.
    They are not gloating. They are entirely focused on me to see what I will write next.

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  • prodigy_
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    Originally posted by valeriodean View Post
    systemd won
    And 90% of the thread is systemd fanboys gloating over that. Though I can't say I'm surprised.

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  • Awesomeness
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    Originally posted by valeriodean View Post
    427 messages?? O_o
    For say what?
    The init war is over, systemd won. End of story.
    No, launchd won.

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  • valeriodean
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    427 messages?? O_o
    For say what?
    The init war is over, systemd won. End of story.

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  • psychoticmeow
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    Originally posted by sdack View Post
    No, I have not ignored it. I only answered it before and you did not read it. So much for ignorance...

    You present your knowledge of democracy and base your argument on the principal of majorities, but you seem to know little about Linux. For a long time has Linux been the minority and still is today when it comes to the desktop. If anything can be said about Linux then it is that it is driven by a minority and used by a minority. If the majority had anything to say about Linux then everyone would be using Windows.

    What you do is to hide behind a mass of people while having little knowledge and no real argument. It makes you more of a Windows user than a Linux user.

    Seems to me the more Linux conquers the desktop the more it also absorbs the ignorant Windows users.
    Not content with boring old idiocy, sdack escellates to full on babbling incoherence. Welcome to being a stupid idiot, sdack. I hope you enjoy your stay.

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