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Originally posted by TheBlackCat View PostBecause ls and grep are two entirely different things.
Why not have a system where you could say "i want the pictures of my girlfriend" or "i want the latest websites I browsed" or "i want the list of every connection to this computer since it woke up" using the same command ? It would be quite logical.
Like:
show *kind of thing* *according to:*
This would be quite unix-y
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Originally posted by doom_Oo7 View PostWhy should they be ? Generally when you're in front of your computer, what you want is as simple as : "give me some data according to parameters I want".
There are three options: give every tool their own filtering capabilities, keep io and filtering completely separate, or decide on a case-by-case basis. There are certainly situations where having an optimized, domain-specific filtering system is useful. But forcibly joining together a specific io with a generic filtering system seems to be a bad solution to me. At the very least you would want to have a filtering system optimized for ls. But what you are suggesting is basically what tpruzina was suggesting for systemD, taking a general-purpose system and forcibly restricting it to a specific use.
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FFS 5 minutes edit.
Well.
Actually I understand the need for the professional to choose the most acute tool for the job, but for the "average" end-user, every kind of data should be able to be abstracted, a bit like here : https://code.google.com/p/dhtfs/
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Originally posted by doom_Oo7 View PostI disagree : both are useless if taken separately. And I don't want useless things on my computer
People don't grep databases, they use special language queries, which means that grep is not the end all/be all of filtering. But then grep can filter any text input, wherever it comes from, which is very good.
SystemD targets reduced flexibility with external tools, for increased performance, and does a pretty good job at doing both. That can be good or bad depending on how people weight the first of the second.
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Originally posted by doom_Oo7 View PostI disagree : both are useless if taken separately. And I don't want useless things on my computer
You don't propose merging find into that tool too, do you?Last edited by Nobu; 16 April 2014, 08:30 PM.
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Originally posted by Nobu View PostI disagree, I think 'ls -lh | less' is just as useful, or moreso, depending on what your purpose is. Another one I like is 'find . --name foo* |grep -i bar', or even, 'find . |grep foo |grep bar'.
You don't propose merging find into that tool too, do you?
Let's see :
ls -lh <=> give current directory files information with details in an human-readable form (less is only a display medium, it could as well give the data as XML or JSON...)
find . --name foo* | grep -i bar <=> give current hierarchy files whose name begins with foo and whose name contains a case-insensitive occurence of bar
find . |grep foo |grep bar' <=> give curren hierarchy files whose name contains foo and whose name contains bar.
I don't really see where the pattern doesn't apply. It would make for a nice human-without-training-useable command system.
(sorry for small mistakes maybe, lack of cafeine <_<)
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Originally posted by TheBlackCat View PostIt's not plug and play anymore; you can't replace libjpeg with something else without re-coding your software.
It's not plug and play anymore; you can't replace alsa with something else without re-coding your software.
It's not plug and play anymore; you can't replace cups with something else without re-coding your software.
It's not plug and play anymore; you can't replace freetype with something else without re-coding your software.
1. alsa is in kernel and even pulseaudio uses it by default
2. cups is defacto standard print server, nobody uses anything else.
3. srsly, you can use whatever fonts you like and this is handled by libraries anyway so...
Whole comment makes no sense (troll).
If your sw has hard dependency on these, there is something wrong with your sw.
Also, it's plug and play in a sense that that you can easily bundle needed libraries with your software (and users can easily replace them with their own system versions via LD_PRELOAD if they want to).
Tho back to my original point, there is no sw created by competent develope which should depend on systemd (except things depening on udev that is bundled with systemd).
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Originally posted by tpruzina View Post1. alsa is in kernel and even pulseaudio uses it by default
Originally posted by tpruzina View Post2. cups is defacto standard print server, nobody uses anything else.
Originally posted by tpruzina View Post3. srsly, you can use whatever fonts you like and this is handled by libraries anyway so...
So TheBlackCat's argument is fully valid and a nice display of how silly gamer2k's argument was. So please kindly take back your claim about who the troll here is.
Originally posted by tpruzina View Postthere is no sw created by competent develope which should depend on systemdLast edited by Gusar; 17 April 2014, 11:20 AM.
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