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  • mrugiero
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    Originally posted by Dharc View Post
    I told about it. BSDs are the Unix dad, it won't die because OS X, Linux, GNU, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Windows (I know, it's not Unix) depends on BSDs. OS X is almost-BSD, GNU/Linux has copied some wi-fi drivers from OpenBSD, the UNIX OSs have so much code from BSDs, Windows copied the TCP/IP stack from BSD, so...you are wrong.
    Dads sometimes die. And the fact some other projects use BSD code doesn't help to keep them alive, they need those projects giving back to keep them alive, and of all the projects you listed, only OS X gives some things back to the BSDs.

    Because of that Linux today is a shit if it isn't Android. Companies are helping Linux because of Android, there isn't any BSD OS for mobiles (iOS is not BSD!), mobile is fashion now.
    Actually, this has nothing to do with Linux development. You see, Google doesn't really work with upstream. Android is a completely different OS on the user space, so when someone talks about contributing to Linux, they either refer to the desktop/server user land or to the kernel itself. For the kernel, other companies don't do a thing because of Android, because Google takes care of that part. Companies committing to the kernel, do so because they use them mostly in servers or desktop. Companies committing to the desktop/server user land are not thinking in Android precisely. In fact, most of them are thinking in competing against Android.

    GNU/Linux today is shit, because today GNU/Linux = Ubuntu, there isn't alternative! Ubuntu's fanboys hate when their OS receive a critique or when Canonical receive, they expand Ubuntu like LINUX IS THE BEST, but when you speak about a non-Ubuntu distro they say GO TO UBUNTU, THE BEST DISTRO or YOU ARE NOTE USING UBUNTU, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING YOU NEED UBUNTU. Debian doesnt' exists and Fedora, Arch, Gentoo, Salckware, etc too. So the preference is non-Linux systems like BSD because theirs users have much more knowledge about operating systems and including GNU/Linux than the Ubuntu-like-users.
    Judging an OS based on the amount of fanboys is quite the bad policy, IMO. There is a big amount of stupid Ubuntu fanboys, so? That doesn't make the OS any better nor any worse.

    If you like to acquire more knowledge go to BSDs because you can't depend on noob users with Windows/OSX/Ubuntu mentality...or go to Solaris
    Or just use Arch or Gentoo... In fact, if you are really willing to learn things, you can use whatever you like, you just need to know how to look for things. If you want to use Ubuntu but learn things, you can help yourself with Debian's and Ubuntu's wiki.

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  • erendorn
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    Originally posted by techzilla View Post
    You have not responded to my point, I never claimed all permissively licensed code is dying.
    I was saying the BSD OS's are dying, as would Linux if it was also permissively licensed. The fact is most Linux improvements come from corporations, while some commits may have been donated willingly, we know historically this is far from a given.
    BSD receives less contributions than linux for mostly the same reason than hurd (which is not permissive): it's because linux exists and took of.

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  • Dharc
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    Originally posted by techzilla View Post
    You have not responded to my point, I never claimed all permissively licensed code is dying.
    I was saying the BSD OS's are dying, as would Linux if it was also permissively licensed.
    I told about it. BSDs are the Unix dad, it won't die because OS X, Linux, GNU, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Windows (I know, it's not Unix) depends on BSDs. OS X is almost-BSD, GNU/Linux has copied some wi-fi drivers from OpenBSD, the UNIX OSs have so much code from BSDs, Windows copied the TCP/IP stack from BSD, so...you are wrong.

    The fact is most Linux improvements come from corporations, while some commits may have been donated willingly, we know historically this is far from a given.
    Because of that Linux today is a shit if it isn't Android. Companies are helping Linux because of Android, there isn't any BSD OS for mobiles (iOS is not BSD!), mobile is fashion now.
    GNU/Linux today is shit, because today GNU/Linux = Ubuntu, there isn't alternative! Ubuntu's fanboys hate when their OS receive a critique or when Canonical receive, they expand Ubuntu like LINUX IS THE BEST, but when you speak about a non-Ubuntu distro they say GO TO UBUNTU, THE BEST DISTRO or YOU ARE NOTE USING UBUNTU, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING YOU NEED UBUNTU. Debian doesnt' exists and Fedora, Arch, Gentoo, Salckware, etc too. So the preference is non-Linux systems like BSD because theirs users have much more knowledge about operating systems and including GNU/Linux than the Ubuntu-like-users.

    Also the BSD licence is a free software licence, and I never claimed otherwise, yet you continue to paint the GPL as non-free.
    No, I said both are free!

    If you like to acquire more knowledge go to BSDs because you can't depend on noob users with Windows/OSX/Ubuntu mentality...or go to Solaris

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  • profoundWHALE
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    Yes. One embedded image out of 200 posts is 4chan. Yup.

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  • nanonyme
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    Oh, great, Phoronix is turning into 4chan?

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  • profoundWHALE
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    Originally posted by Truth
    Is that the best response your GPL masters could come up with, a flouncy "no u"? Pathetic.

    Wake up sheeple, look at the language of the GPL and those that justify it, then take a look at the Patriot Act and the justifications used there.

    When you're done self-harming from the intense cognitive dissonance caused by being against the NSA while supporting the GPL, embrace true freedom.



    Thank you for proving me right by spewing forth the typical FSF propaganda and fearmongering.

    "B-b-but what if the corporations" == "B-b-but what if the terrorists".

    Stallman supports the NSA, TSA, Patriot Act and all attempts to restrict our freedoms, he'd love nothing more than to see Edward Snowden waterboarded and executed, he'll deny it though because he's a false-flag shill design to exploit the gullible. Saint Ignucius indeed.

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  • JX8p
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    Before anyone tries any more of this "GPL is freedom!!" "No, BSD is FREEDOM!!!", "NO, YOU ARE WRONG, GPL IS FREEDOM!!!!" silliness, they would do well to read this. A very fair and balanced account of how both GPL and BSD licences are useful to Free Software, Open Standards, and Innovation and PROGRESS in general.

    Enough of the fanboyism.

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  • mrugiero
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    Originally posted by techzilla View Post
    I'm not even sure you're actually informed enough on how permissive code is subsequently closed. I mean just really think about this for one second ok, Big corporations love BSD licensed code... and HATE GPL licensed code.

    Also do you even know who Stallman is? Which right-wing blog misrepresents Stallman in such a way? Stallman strongly supports the efforts of Edward Snowden, and advocates for NSA opposition.

    It's ok if you disagree about the simply strategic benefits of GPL, but to paint Stallman as the machine is plainly disgusting.
    Hi, techzilla, I think nobody officially introduced you to the internet. Sadly, there is a thing in the internet called troll. They have fun by provoking people and getting their attention. Usually, they make boldly aggressive claims, or plainly idiotic, and engage in repetitive discussions where they don't post any arguments, or very few. They like to make clear theirs is the one and only truth, or that they are the leader, the boss, everything that might get on the nerves of people, usually by using a nick that makes reference of this. In case you haven't figured out yet, Truth is a troll, and one of the most obvious ones. I'd like to suggest you to ignore his posts, instead of giving him the satisfaction of making you waste your time.
    Please, believe me here, as I'm not someone who likes to argue in terms of accusing all of the ones who disagree with me of trolling. You can check this out in my posts, I'm as respectful as I can.
    Also, sorry for the sarcasm of the beginning of this post, but I have some problems understanding why you keep answering him. All of the rest of the post was serious, actually. Really, don't get on your nerves, that's what he/she wants from you.

    Regards,
    mrugiero.

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  • techzilla
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    Found a Video of Stallman, He opposes NSA. Stop painting him as the machine.

    http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/snowden...veillance-093/

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  • techzilla
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    Originally posted by Truth
    TL;DR: My name is artivision and I give my full support to the continued abuses of freedom by legislation such as the Patriot Act, and invasion of privacy by groups like the NSA and TSA.

    Because after all, gotta protect 'murrica from dem terrywrists right? Yeehaw George dubya Stallman to the rescue.
    I'm not even sure you're actually informed, regarding the process in which permissive code is subsequently closed. I mean just really think about this for one second ok, big corporations LOVE BSD licensed code... and HATE GPL licensed code.

    Also do you actually know which views Richard Stallman represents? Which right-wing blog has been misrepresenting Stallman in such a way? Stallman strongly supports the efforts of Edward Snowden, and advocates for NSA opposition.

    It's ok if you disagree about the strategic benefits of reciprocal licensing, but to paint Stallman as the machine is plainly disgusting.
    Last edited by techzilla; 03 February 2014, 04:10 PM.

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