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Originally posted by Sonadow View PostUSB drive to phone connection. There are many adapters that allow for this already.
The only obstacle is support for external USB devices at the operating system level.
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Originally posted by Ericg View PostA well written python app will be just as fast as a C or C++ app unless you optimize the C or C++ app in some way (beyond just best practices). Also python is easier for maintenance so theres a bump in its direction. This flies directly at the same age old argument... do you use a custom written hand tuned algorithm thats fast, but a nightmare to maintain. Or do you go for a slightly slower one, that still gets the job done, thats easier to maintain? Personally, I prefer longterm maintenance benefits from easy to read code.
By the way, for the people that say Canonical is harming the linux ecosystem with this and other decisions. We shouldn't consider ubuntu part of the linux ecosystem anymore. It is not a linux distribution. It is an operating system that it happens to be based on linux, but it could well be based on any other kernel and it wouldn't make a difference (at least that is where it is headed), just like android. Go to the ubuntu main (not the documentation) webpage and try to find the word linux there it is hidden somewhere, but difficult to find.
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Originally posted by Ericg View PostA well written python app will be just as fast as a C or C++ app unless you optimize the C or C++ app in some way (beyond just best practices). Also python is easier for maintenance so theres a bump in its direction. This flies directly at the same age old argument... do you use a custom written hand tuned algorithm thats fast, but a nightmare to maintain. Or do you go for a slightly slower one, that still gets the job done, thats easier to maintain? Personally, I prefer longterm maintenance benefits from easy to read code.
Bloat != slow
Slow speed is often a symptom of bloat, but bloat means "too much code/storage space/memory".
And excess dependencies do factor into that.
wicd is an example of what I mean:
the job it performs is useful, but try installing it on TinyCore.
It needs dbus, gobject, GTK, and Glade plus the python modules, python, python-iniparse, and all the CLI tools you'd use to do the same thing.
wifi-radar needs python, GTK, and python-gtk, plus the CLI tools. There's a big difference there (mainly python-dbus and glade), but...it still is rather high-footprint compared to things like Frisbee (a shell+gtkdialog network manager from Puppy).
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Glick2
There is a gnome project calls glick2 that provide sandboxed environment to self-contained packages: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...tem&px=MTI5NDQ
Why ubuntu don't use it too? Sorry .... NMH syndrome
But to have a second app install method like this is very useful for users and developers.
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Originally posted by Ericg View PostA well written python app will be just as fast as a C or C++ app unless you optimize the C or C++ app in some way (beyond just best practices). Also python is easier for maintenance so theres a bump in its direction. This flies directly at the same age old argument... do you use a custom written hand tuned algorithm thats fast, but a nightmare to maintain. Or do you go for a slightly slower one, that still gets the job done, thats easier to maintain? Personally, I prefer longterm maintenance benefits from easy to read code.
Besides that I'm not completely convinced it's that big difference between programming python and modern c++ anymore. The big pain in the as with c++ is the compilation time
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It might be only one more symptom of the NIH-syndrome, but I consider this even a dangerous tactic which most Debian-developers already warned us about.
Last edited by Ray7brian2; 09 May 2013, 02:29 AM.
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Man, I love reinstalling .NET and the C++ runtime thing every time I install a new game on Steam on Windows.
Static libraries suck.
Originally posted by Sonadow View PostUSB drive to phone connection. There are many adapters that allow for this already.
The only obstacle is support for external USB devices at the operating system level.
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Originally posted by Nille View PostThat doest mean that you has 10 Runtimes installed.
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