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This stats only show how bad the Symbian line has done in the smartphone segment the last years. I don't think anyone denied that. The earlier growth is only a movement between dumbphones to smartphones in the market, it was not a movement to nokia. Totally Nokia has (mostly) lost market share slowly since 2008 in unit sold phones if I'm remember correct. (I'm nut sure but I'm guess their last really successful premium phone was the n95 released same years as the first Iphone)
But I think the pictures stats look suspect. I think it exclude the asha smartphone lines or something, I'm pretty sure Nokia last quarter still sold more asha smartphones than lumia phones in unit sold phones.
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Nokia quarterly results are out, and Horace Dediu from Asymco made a very nice graph depicting the history of Windows Phone at Nokia:
Source: http://www.asymco.com/2013/04/18/lum...light-visible/ (via OSnews)
The vertical white line is when Nokia announced the switch from Symbian to Windows phone.
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Actually Nokia started counting Asha phones as smartphones now, so their self-proclaimed share will be higher than 5%.
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Originally posted by daniels View PostTwo years before Elop, Nokia's share price had already started crashing. He obviously didn't reverse the trend, but pinning the entire woes of a company on one man isn't fair, accurate or helpful. Even if I agreed with your reasoning, which I very much don't.
Btw. there is a very interesting recent Interview with Mr. Gass?e where he talks about mobile and Apple mostly. Don't mind the interviewer though.
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Originally posted by daniels View Postwhite-anting S40's marketshare with ?50 smartishphones (remind me again too, what was MeeGo's low-cost strategy?)
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Originally posted by daniels View PostMore to the point, they can actually do so very cheaply and quickly; Nokia have proven over the past ten years that they can't.
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Originally posted by Akka View PostTake care soon "chithanh" accuse you for astroturfing for Microsoft.Last edited by daniels; 17 April 2013, 07:49 PM.
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Originally posted by chithanh View PostI don't understand why people keep on claiming that Nokia had to choose between MeeGo, Android and Windows Phone. Samsung was smaller than Nokia when the change in strategy was announced, and could sustain operations with 3 mobile platforms (Android, Bada, Windows Phone), no reason why Nokia couldn't do the same and instead had to put all eggs in one basket.
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Originally posted by dee. View PostThen why is their Symbian OS still doing better than Windows Phone, even though they have discontinued it?
Originally posted by dee. View PostSymbian was due to be shelved for sure, but teaming up with Microsoft and going with WP was obviously a horrible choice.
Originally posted by dee. View PostMeego wouldn't have bankrupted them. The Meego phones they made are still so popular that people still pay for them even though the OS is pretty much unsupported. Jolla seems to be doing fine with Sailfish, obviously it's a bit early to say, but why do you think Nokia couldn't have done what Jolla is doing now? The Jolla workers are even the same people who were in Nokia at the time, so it's not a question of expertise, nor resources. There's really no good reason why Nokia couldn't have succeeded with Meego.
Outside of the serious enthusiast press, the N9 received very little attention, and even then a great deal of it was lavished on the industrial design - which was certainly best in class. Unfortunately the hardware was a couple of years out of date and the software just wasn't good enough. (Ever actually tried to use the keyboard? Or deal with Tracker's famed 'just out of time' indexing, where it finishes pegging your CPU shortly after you'd given up on actually being able to listen to music? Or how about syncing your phone with anything? The Twitter app? Email?)
And this is the phone which would've saved the company.
Originally posted by dee. View PostCome on, you don't believe that yourself.
Originally posted by dee. View PostElop did several mind-numbingly fuckwitted things that single-handedly caused a huge collapse in Nokia's revenue and worth. Burning platforms?
Originally posted by dee. View PostAh, that's not a testament of Nokia's marketing genius, it's rather of the sorry state of Microsoft's mobile OS. No one knows or remembers any other windows phones other than the Lumias. And when it comes to the Lumias, they're mainly notorious for being crappy phones and breaking all the time.
Originally posted by dee. View PostTwo years before Elop, Nokia was still the biggest phonemaker. Nokia had the best carrier relations, and they were doing great everywhere except the US market, which has always been difficult to conquer for Nokia.
Also, look at other events which have happened since then: Android maturing, and attacking all market segments, from Samsung's high-priced flagship-every-six-months to random Chinese OEMs white-anting S40's marketshare with €50 smartishphones (remind me again too, what was MeeGo's low-cost strategy?); Apple becoming the most valuable company on the planet by not only shipping boatloads of iPhones, but getting the halo effect from the iPad; the similar demise of RIM/Blackberry, for which people seem to see a totally broken company and corporate culture on every level rather than just blaming one person; 'app' has become one of the most-used words, forcing Android to completely change every element of its deployment strategy to even compete at all in an area where neither Symbian nor MeeGo have ever, ever been relevant.
Ten years before Elop, Nokia had amazing tech in its research labs which they still haven't managed to productise. It was (and still is) great at the logistics of shipping very cheap and simple phones, squeezing every cent out of the margins. The Lumia series is the first really viable phone series I've seen them ship and execute on since the N95, and even then they found a way to screw the pooch: after publicly announcing that they'd receive major upgrades, they claimed that WP7 phones couldn't get upgrades as WP8 supported SMP and NFC, and tried to keep the early adopters happy with a tiny incremental upgrade that let you change the size of tiles. Proof that as an organisation, they're still totally incapable of growing and supporting an ecosystem. And that's not new, or any one person's fault.
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