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  • Originally posted by BSD Sucks and Dies
    RMS IS ALWAYS CORRECT AND THOSE WHO DISAGREE ARE MICROSOFT/APPLE DRONES AND ARE LIERS!!!!!!!

    I admire the efforts of people like crazycheese, kraftman and asdx. I feel the pain and burden they have to go through to deal with/reply to the crap put out by all the Anti-Stallman (which are also freedom hating) people and BSD trolls/zealots in this forum.

    I like Pawlson and ArchLinux's come back at the BSD MORON Cthulhux.

    Cthulhux, you should be totallly a shame of urself for using and advocating such a SHIT-PATHETIC and yet EVIL FREEDOM HATING ENSLAVING OS. Everyone here that BSD particularly FreeBSD exist only to voluntarily help the efforts of Evil empires aka M$ and rotten apples suprise and kill freedom and stallman so anyone who uses their horrors (BSD) are guilty of facilitating that effort.

    You make me SICK Cthulhux, --> SICK!!!! <--
    I couldn't agree more

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    • Originally posted by Fazer View Post
      I can't stand his opinions, he is the reason people hate closed software and think their developers are evil. The world doesn't work like that. There are no good or evil people.
      ?hh yes... you are right there are no bad people at alle... that are completly evil, but there are people who do bad or good things... and if you let your code get or do it yourself under a closed source lisense you do a evil thing... that makes you not a totaly evil person... but there you harm people...

      maybe you integrated no malicious code but you help somebody a company to bring more people to use that software, and maye when thats the big market leader they hire some people to integrate malicious code... or even if they dont... they have total controll they often vendor lockin with formats... or kill the need to make a free version of this software... then they say maybe ohh you want that this mini feature will get integrated in the software 3 lines of code... pay us a trillion... such stuff... yes you can look on the gnu sites what else for problems you generate and why its evil to develop and release such stuff...

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      • Originally posted by BSD Sucks and Dies
        Cthulhux, you should be totallly a shame of urself for using and advocating such a SHIT-PATHETIC and yet EVIL FREEDOM HATING ENSLAVING OS.
        If you hate slavery, why do you advocate the GPL?
        http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009...l-is-not-free/

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        • Originally posted by Cthulhux View Post
          If you hate slavery, why do you advocate the GPL?
          http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009...l-is-not-free/
          GTFO outta here and take your fail piece of shit os with you

          Nobody wants you here

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          • Don't worry, your mommy will be here soon.

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            • Heh. Now I'm a FSF member, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.

              I really find reading these threads very entertaining. There is a lot of people who focus on personal attacks against Stallman, but that happens in every discussion. Those opinions are similar to anti-Poettering-ism, usually not fact-based and emotionally fuelled, and can be very quickly discarded.

              Another large group of people might understand the issue partially, but gets sidetracked somewhere midway through what the mission of the FSF was. To all of these people, I honestly recommend reading up on the history of GNU, and some of Stallman's essays (the Free Software, Free Society collection for example). This same group of people has issues with real world logic, where anything is (according to them) defined as a "love or hate" relationship.

              GNU and by extension the FSF were started as an idealistic project. The idea of the whole shebang is to provide "free as in freedom alternative" to proprietary IT solutions - a version of a popular text editor, which is guaranteed to be available forever. A compiler collection, which anyone can use. A de-facto reference C-library implementation, available to anyone. All that under one condition - whatever you do to the code, if you decide to publish the (modified or verbatim) code, it has to be "free as in freedom".

              Now, the idea of all that was never to be the one and only option, to burn and erase all other proprietary softwares, and to make sure you can run only the "tagged" stuff. It was actually the exact opposite - to provide you with the (true) freedom of choice, with an alternative. It's like free range vs caged chicken - arguably, there the benefits of each are more clearly cut (conscience vs cost). And it also describes the current goal of FSF - you wouldn't want to buy free range eggs, only to find out that only 95% of them are really free range, and that it's at the distributor's disposal whether he decides to swap some eggs in your package for caged ones...

              For a realist / pragmatist, Stallman's point of view is probably far too idealistic to be practicable. What is honourable about RMS is, though, that he eats his cake too - he doesn't use proprietary software (or hardware), he truly drinks water while preaching water. It were the pragmatists who took the GNU bits, the BSD bits and the kernel, and started making distributions. It took long time to have first true "GNU/Linux" distribution, and no one really insists on you using it - it's your choice - but you can't say you're eating organic, when your corn comes from a Monsanto seed.

              Stallman and people at FSF usually assume that people reading their statements are not retarded and can perform a critical analysis. I would be very surprised, if in any of their publications you found recommendations on what you "generally should and shouldn't do" (as opposed to "do to remain truly FSF-free"). In any case, I do believe what Stallman says to be incredibly relevant, especially as he is one of the only people taking such a critical stance. I do not pretend I do what he suggests I do, but I do not pretend I am running only FSF-compatible stuff either.

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              • Originally posted by PeterKraus View Post
                Heh. Now I'm a FSF member, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt.
                I dont agree to your statement Stallman thinks that you do harm people and he also things that government should forbit proprietary software... so he is not of freedom of choice at least not in that definition. I agree with what he says but he is not a use whatever you want but dont call yourself a fsf-guy or something like that, what you tried to say...

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                • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  I dont agree to your statement Stallman thinks that you do harm people
                  Sorry, I don't follow.

                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  and he also things that government should forbit proprietary software...
                  I'm not exactly sure he said exactly that. I'm pretty sure he definitely stated government should use open, unencumbered document standards; it is also quite likely that he said government should use free software whenever a free alternative exists. He definitely didn't say "government should forbid proprietary software".

                  In any case, at least in the US, it makes sense. All works made by the US government are public, and fall into the public domain. As the government is (officially) taxpayer funded, people should be able to use governmental works. It's not that much of a leap of imagination to apply the same reasoning to the tools the government is using.

                  Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  I agree with what he says but he is not a use whatever you want but dont call yourself a fsf-guy or something like that, what you tried to say...
                  Yes, he is a bit more radical than that - he is going to call you out if you pretend how "freedom friendly" you are, while you aren't.

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                  • Originally posted by PeterKraus View Post
                    Sorry, I don't follow.


                    I'm not exactly sure he said exactly that. I'm pretty sure he definitely stated government should use open, unencumbered document standards; it is also quite likely that he said government should use free software whenever a free alternative exists. He definitely didn't say "government should forbid proprietary software".
                    I think I heard something like that in a youtube video (which he would hate that somebody uploaded his video there but whatever ^^).

                    He definatly said, making propriatary software is a crime:

                    "When Brian Reid in 1979 placed time bombs in the Scribe markup language and word processing system to restrict unlicensed access to the software, Stallman proclaimed it "a crime against humanity."[17] He clarified, years later, that it is blocking the user's freedom that he believes is a crime, not the issue of charging for the software"

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

                    so normaly one of the most important tasks a government have is to forbit crimes... good its not directly what I said but implicit.

                    and the clarification is no relativation... proprietary software != charging people for (distributing them) software... or even sell them software if they get then the source and all rights...

                    Maybe he dont belive in government what would not be very wonderish if you live in america. but he things that that are crimes...

                    And he just defines freedom of choice in another way then you do... by using non-free software you automaticly limit the freedom of choice and you limit the freedom of yourself and all your people around you... because you cant be a good naighbor and stuff like that...

                    So I would go further than you and stallman too... but I use a mobile ^^ but if my name would be richard stallman I would propably do the same for security issues... he have many enemies...

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                    • Originally posted by Cthulhux View Post
                      If you hate slavery, why do you advocate the GPL?
                      http://noordering.wordpress.com/2009...l-is-not-free/
                      Originally posted by Pallidus View Post
                      GTFO outta here and take your fail piece of shit os with you

                      Nobody wants you here
                      You heard him Cthulhux (BSD Troll), go screwed and please for the sake of the world get on your BSD infected computers, su to root and type in:

                      ShitBSD# rm -rf /

                      or even better,

                      ShitBSD# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/{all your partitions} bs=1G

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