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  • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    So now it is partly a reason to kill somebody because he is unemployed, nice, so you are for the biggest genocide since ever? So I think you dont really mean that, but you should watch exactly what you say if you argue for murder.
    You already know for yourself what is wrong and what is right, and it should not matter to you what I am thinking. So to me you only complain, because you are forced to think for yourself and not have an adult to do the thinking for you.

    The boy however is only 10 and I very much doubt that he thought at all when he picked up that gun and shot his father. I do doubt that it was a smart logic that made him do it.

    We humans see ourself as better than animals, but we hardly are better. Beat a pet long enough, which is what some people actually do, and it will return into its wild state and it will attack you. We then sometimes kill the animal, because it represents a problem to us and we have no time to care for it. The same happens when a zoo keeper gets killed by one of the zoo's wild animals. We then often decide to kill the animal all while we knew that it is wild and that it will always remain this way. Hell, we humans even treated ourselves as animals during slavery, until we decided that slavery is wrong and that we are better off by treating each other with respect and dignity.

    You are smarter than this 10-year old boy, but I doubt that you yet understand what it means to be a product of your environment. It is because of your parents that you know what is wrong and what is right. But raise a child in a closed box and beat it daily and it will be no different to any other wild animal. We know this, because some parents actually did this with their children.

    I am guessing that the boy never had much of a chance to think for himself with the family he has had. We do have a very good understanding of what it is that makes people commit crimes as well as how to raise our children. We however not love children for what they did as a consequence of the mistakes of their parents! Just like we do not love the dog, who bit his owner, after it got beaten by him. Instead, we put the child away.

    We cannot punish the boy for doing something wrong, because we know that he has got no right understanding of wrong and right. Instead, we put him away because his parents not only have failed to raise him, but raised him wrong and abused him and we now have no idea what else he is capable of doing.

    We do however hold parents responsible and do punish them for the actions of their children. So his father needs to be punished if only his son had not killed him.You can say that in some sense the father committed suicide by first encouraging a violent behaviour in his son, then leaving a loaded gun in the house and then beating him.

    Osama bin Laden then was no 10-year old child, who still has got a lot to learn. Bin Laden had a very good understanding of wrong and right, but he had gone insane and chose to declare war on human civilization. People all over the world then demanded his death and hardly anyone today complains about his execution. There is simply nothing wrong about it for most people. It is us humans who make the laws and we decide what is wrong and what is right.
    Last edited by sdack; 11-22-2011, 05:04 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Panix View Post
      Where is this 'sdack' from?
      I am out of one of your nightmares. Do you not recognize me? I am you!

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      • I will not say that the boy should have known better I just say that he is no hero, if we start self-justice there will ne boundary on that, it will become the normal way of doing all. So we end in a anarchic state and or in a police state and dictatorship.

        And then there are human rights. You can maybe argue that death sentence is ok, I dont think so but at least the person had a fair (hopefully) process.

        So then you also belive totaly blindly all that your goverment says to you, bush is a liar, so where should we really know what exactly was the part of osama of terror acts. I think the us goverment wanted to hide some facts, we here even give murderers or at least co-perpetrators of right-wing-terrorists deals so we know more about what happend exactly, but your goverment kills such valuable information source, so it makes not really any sence but, ok maybe you murrons are totaly revange-driven bloodhungry murrons. So sorry there are a few intellectual guys over in america that I will not include to my critic, but the rest seems to be to stupid to shit, to stupid to even understand the evolution theory. USA = 90% Rednex.

        You are nearly as patreotic as the nazis was here. And you use the same methods, the only difference is that you hunt moslems instead of jews and you are not that systematic in torturing and killing them.

        I know that our justice systems are not the best, but its better than self justice from some criminal goverments and criminal military.

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        • The truth about the truth

          Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
          I will not say that the boy should have known better I just say that he is no hero
          The truth is there is no single truth in this world. There are in fact many. By agreeing to what we believe to be true do we form societies and nations, all which have their own fundamental sets of truths. If we had only one truth, then we would not have this many nations but we would have only one.

          So the boy is a victim, a murderer, a hero, a child, a human as well as he is a son without a father. And much more.

          You do not have to agree to all of these, you are not being forced to believe it, and you can have your own beliefs and truths.

          Peace and liberty to you all!

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          • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
            I will not say that the boy should have known better I just say that he is no hero, if we start self-justice there will ne boundary on that, it will become the normal way of doing all. So we end in a anarchic state and or in a police state and dictatorship.
            Self-justice its the only war for the son because there was no law to protect childs against nazi parents in the US.

            in Germany maybe but not on the US.

            no LAW= Self-defense is the only way to go.

            and you should not call it anarchic the correct wort is "anomaly" only anarchy haters use this word in this way.

            well knows people of anarchy know the difference between anomaly and anarchy the anarchy is "social" not "anti-social" only the anomaly is anti-social.

            this is because the human is a "Social" animal and not a "anti-social" animal.
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            • Originally posted by sdack View Post
              The truth is there is no single truth in this world. There are in fact many. By agreeing to what we believe to be true do we form societies and nations, all which have their own fundamental sets of truths. If we had only one truth, then we would not have this many nations but we would have only one.

              So the boy is a victim, a murderer, a hero, a child, a human as well as he is a son without a father. And much more.

              You do not have to agree to all of these, you are not being forced to believe it, and you can have your own beliefs and truths.

              Peace and liberty to you all!
              blackiwid just fail here because there is no law in the US to protect children's against there NAZI-Parents and no LAW means no Justice and because of this the child can not hope to clear this with the Justice system the child only can self-defend if he do the dirty job alone.

              blackiwid is only right in germany in germany to be a nazi is a crime and the child can go to the police and then the father is fucked.

              but this child is not a german and he don't life in germany.

              because of this kill the father is the only solution.
              Last edited by Qaridarium; 11-22-2011, 06:40 PM.
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              • I think even if your dad hits you and stuff, if you are 10 years old and be able to kill your dad you are pretty fucked up. So yes here in germany this boy would not go to jail, thats not the point. Or maybe 1 year in a kind of youth learning facility (not like in us boot camp ^^) if he is besides that not totaly fucked up in his social behavier, but even that boys get most of the time in new special family like structures.

                Thats not the point, but this 10 year could not rational decide to kill his dad because he is evil, it is basicly a random fact that his dad has this idiolegy. The point is (thats speculation because I dont see more facts) that he found a weapon maybe he used it mistacanly playing around with it, or he was pissed because he did not get a playstation 3 or something like that. Partly its because your weapon-laws, so everybody can have 1000 weapons in the home laying around, but even with the better laws here in germany on that point, neo-nazies here could happen the same because they dont follow that laws. But at least they hide them more so its not that likely that the kid finds it, or that those who have kids build here such bombs. Our 3 terrorists that we did found now, did not have kids as example.

                Even that nazies in that videos are such stupid but ok ours are not better. I nearly have mercy with them, they see that our world falls apart, at least they see that, but they totaly dont understand why and who is to blame and even that who are to blame are not to murder or something like that, because if we accomplish the real change what have to happen, we should forgive them. Most of them are also to stupid that they not even understand that they were doing evil and the few who did this maybe intentional are then not danger anymore. At least if they did not do crimes or stuff that was legal but led to mass death or something.

                Its also important to win not to hard, because after WW1 the Winners won to hard, so that germany wanted a revenge. ( I do not blame others for WW2 ) but being right is not always the most important thing.

                Its the same with obama, so yes you can win hard shoot him in the face or from behind kneeing so you get your revenge, but because of that 10 other people become maybe fanatic and start thier war. Its like fandeta.

                But ok bombing weddings in afganistan did create more terrorists than this execution, so just stop both as USA if you dont want more terrorists, but that was never the goal of such stuff I am not even 100% shure that Osama did even have his hands on 9/11, maybe yes but if not we will maybe never know, also because of that execution.

                Its also a sign of weakness if you are not able to manage your basic feelings and just through away principles for a moment of satisfaction.

                10 years after 9/11 most people on earth hate americans, even obama could not change that, he also did not close your concentration camps.

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                • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                  Thats not the point, but this 10 year could not rational decide to kill his dad because he is evil, it is basicly a random fact that his dad has this idiolegy. The point is (thats speculation because I dont see more facts) that he found a weapon maybe he used it mistacanly playing around with it, or he was pissed because he did not get a playstation 3 or something like that. Partly its because your weapon-laws, so everybody can have 1000 weapons in the home laying around, but even with the better laws here in germany on that point, neo-nazies here could happen the same because they dont follow that laws. But at least they hide them more so its not that likely that the kid finds it, or that those who have kids build here such bombs. Our 3 terrorists that we did found now, did not have kids as example.

                  Even that nazies in that videos are such stupid but ok ours are not better. I nearly have mercy with them, they see that our world falls apart, at least they see that, but they totaly dont understand why and who is to blame and even that who are to blame are not to murder or something like that, because if we accomplish the real change what have to happen, we should forgive them. Most of them are also to stupid that they not even understand that they were doing evil and the few who did this maybe intentional are then not danger anymore. At least if they did not do crimes or stuff that was legal but led to mass death or something.

                  Its also important to win not to hard, because after WW1 the Winners won to hard, so that germany wanted a revenge. ( I do not blame others for WW2 ) but being right is not always the most important thing.

                  Its the same with obama, so yes you can win hard shoot him in the face or from behind kneeing so you get your revenge, but because of that 10 other people become maybe fanatic and start thier war. Its like fandeta.

                  But ok bombing weddings in afganistan did create more terrorists than this execution, so just stop both as USA if you dont want more terrorists, but that was never the goal of such stuff I am not even 100% shure that Osama did even have his hands on 9/11, maybe yes but if not we will maybe never know, also because of that execution.

                  Its also a sign of weakness if you are not able to manage your basic feelings and just through away principles for a moment of satisfaction.
                  Principles. That's what most people don't have now.

                  That definitely applies to Germans. They don't care one iota for principles, liberties, rights and what they mean. Q and that other idiot are totally oblivious to it. So, when there are thoughts or beliefs you don't like, just kill the person. Great logic.

                  I really think Germany and other countries are doomed because the majority of the populace are easily duped and have no common sense.

                  I am not sure if the Elites purposely want a global collapse but since it's so inevitable and they with politicians are steering countries towards that scenario so eagerly, sometimes one has to wonder if this is part of the agenda (for further control). I guess what these politicians and Elites are doing is legal since they get away with it.

                  "but that was never the goal of such stuff I am not even 100% shure that Osama did even have his hands on 9/11, maybe yes but if not we will maybe never know, also because of that execution."

                  That was really convenient, wasn't it? Navy Seals involved in the Osama mission soon died from a helicopter crash in Afghanistan as well so they weren't going to talk. What convenient coincidences... gotta love those all over the place. :-/

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                  • Originally posted by Panix View Post
                    Q and that other idiot are totally oblivious to it. So, when there are thoughts or beliefs you don't like, just kill the person. Great logic.
                    It depends on what do you talk about to make your thoughts real and how much you act on your beliefs.

                    What if your voices hurt people? And your act based on your beliefs hurt people? and your thoughts and your believes only all around killing niggers and killing Jews and killing Arabs and killing all others than white people ?
                    What if your only interested in bereave other humans Freedom ?
                    What if you only do have the point of ZERO Tolerance?

                    You can not Tolerance this kind of people.
                    There is no Peace in hating Jews,Niggers,Arabs,Tolerance and other peoples Freedom.

                    And this kind of people do not have any scruple to kill you in no time if you are a Jews,Niggers,Arabs,Social or Anarchist man.

                    And yes if a Nazi kill a "Left Tick(anarchist)" you are happy aren't you ?
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                    • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      It depends on what do you talk about to make your thoughts real and how much you act on your beliefs.
                      You're a bit incoherent with your ramblings but I think I know what you aim to say.

                      But, you didn't answer my question. Are you condoning killing someone because you don't like their beliefs, thoughts or perspective?

                      I don't think we should punish people because of expression or a belief. Even if we decide it's really bad. If you believe in freedoms and liberties, it's contrary to the inherent and basic principles.

                      In our society, people are punished, prosecuted, mocked, ridiculed, ostracized etc. etc. because of certain expression and perspectives (even if it's just speculation). People are brainwashed and conditioned to think this is okay.

                      You go down a dangerous path. But, you and your friend seem to support the socialist and fascist model of punishing things and people you don't like or for their thoughts you don't like. I think that's worse than the opinion.

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