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  • Panix
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    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    We, thank you for having the decency to edit it out. But I will not address your or any of your points.
    That's fine. I thought I should be polite but you confirmed it, you're a waste of time. Maybe you have Apple stock. I guess when people don't care about greed, they become apathetic and stupid.

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  • bridgman
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    Originally posted by scjet View Post
    Ok, and please don't bother mentioning the fact that the only reason Apple picked BSD/Unix was becuase of the "Free" BSD-Licsence. yep, We all already, generally, know that' and yes, that was the primary reason. Otherwise Linux would have been equally good, in all respects.
    ... except for the little time-travel problem -- MacOS built on Nextstep, and development work on Nextstep started ~4 years before the first version of Linux existed.
    Last edited by bridgman; 10-11-2011, 01:07 PM.

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  • scjet
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    .... additionally Steve Jobs took a completely "freely avillabe OS",as we know it, BSD/Unix (specifically FreeBSD, bastardized it inti Darwin) and took it to great heights of stability and quality, why ?, becuase this is what happens when you "properly" mold hardware and drivers, together with the OS, - MacOSX.
    That was a tribute to all things Linux, as well as obviously BSD.
    Hang on, yes, he had the money and "suckered" Investors into seeing this to fruition, yes he did it for "profit", yes he did proprieterrorize/close it, ....and yes he, the greedy SoB, charged way tooo Much money for it

    Ok, and please don't bother mentioning the fact that the only reason Apple picked BSD/Unix was becuase of the "Free" BSD-Licsence. yep, We all already, generally, know that' and yes, that was the primary reason. Otherwise Linux would have been equally good, in all respects.

    But I see the glass as half-full, Steve Jobs' NeXT experiment, ultimately proved just how good Hardware built for a Linux, and a BSD can really be. ?! That is a huge "feather" in all out hats. That's a tribute.
    Steve Jobs proved that the "free" Unix's really is a better Model OS to build upon especially in this InterNETworking World.
    Most of us, linux/bsd advocates already knew this years ago.
    The point is, HE DID IT !!!
    Stallman, on the other hand, has NOT done that yet, -yet another reason we(linux/bsd/...) needs an OpenHardware model to build upon.

    So ya, R.I.P. Steve.
    Last edited by scjet; 10-11-2011, 12:53 PM.

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  • urfe
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    Originally posted by Panix View Post
    You're the one who's wrong. You're an apathetic idiot. But, don't worry, there's lots like you.
    We, thank you for having the decency to edit it out. But I will not address your or any of your points.

    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    its just about how much money do you have if you have much money you can crush everyone in every place and yes you can hurt and punish people just because you are a ruthless business man.
    Well good thing we're on a technology board, then, and not in business ethics.


    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    you just FAIL here because i only quote wikipedia stuff with 100% source mark
    Don't use memes in a conversation, they're brain-dead jokes.

    About Wikipedia: please read what I wrote about it in the following posts (if you don't want to search for it, here it is: you can't just post snippets out form someone's speech/book and use it as proof. People directly involved with Steve Jobs knew better than any of those anonymous Wiki editors, and if they respected him for what he did, it means damn more than a <quote> on a forum. Look up what Wozniak had to say about him, if you're so interested in his off-stage character).

    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    i consider what he did create and my result is he create nothing only Wozniak do something.
    Wozniak=100% true hacker with 100% true work and Steve Jobs only use Wozniak as a slave !
    Steve Jobs business model only was to exploit Wozniak.
    And the conductors role is to exploit the pianist... Please remember that Steve created more than Apple: Pixar and NeXT. Both successful and with great influence. No one will remember him as an engineer - this is out of the question.
    Also, once Steve was forced to leave, Apple went down - so, voila, your precious engineers are not always the only good investement. This is what he was great for. If you refuse to acknolewdge that, then you're dimissing how actually any project works.


    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
    its my freedom of chose to be against the apple bullshit and brainwashing machines

    in our world there are not so many brainwashing resistant humans I'm one of them.

    I Don't care how rich there are and i know very poor people buy apple stuff just because they try to lift them up with expensive status symbols and apple know that they just suck these poor people out like vampires.
    You need to grow up. The consumer is not a victim, he's the one making the choice.
    You also shouldn't have 3600+ posts on an Internet forum if you're as 'brainwashing resistant' as you claim, because no one anchorded in reality would waste all that precious time arguing like a veritable news-consumer, without any real goals, on a Internet forum (and I will follow my advice, thank you).

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    Because Appple won't destroy your health
    apple destroy health in more exact words apple destroy the mentally health of the humans.

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    He didn't steal any of it.
    he stole it from Wozniak and he is a proven liar!

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  • V!NCENT
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    I agree 100% with Richard; I'm not glad he's dead; I'm just glad he's gone.

    People make fun of Richard because he doesn't look like anyone else, or behaves like them. But people do not listen to what he actually says.

    While the MIT license is good to get people started with their business, it's dangerously unhealthy at the same time, because the license leads to an unfair advantage for closed source products that then compete with its software base.

    The GPL might restrict you, but it only restrict unhealthy progress. I can understand where the hate comes from; the GPL software can swallow MIT software without MIT software being able to take back the code. Well hello, that's what the MIT license is all about. If you hate GPL because of this, then you should (re)considder hating your own license, instead.

    The only real freedom that MIT License has is that it's compatible with every other license on the planet. Yet that's not the other way around, because of that advantage.
    Last edited by V!NCENT; 10-11-2011, 10:58 AM.

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  • Qaridarium
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    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    No it's not. He was a ruthless business man, which is neither illegal or repulsive. This is how business works, and this is why so few succeed at it.
    its just about how much money do you have if you have much money you can crush everyone in every place and yes you can hurt and punish people just because you are a ruthless business man.
    you don't need to be illegal in your world to be pure evil in our system you can be pure evil 100% legal and in law and order up to 100% it just doesn't matter.
    thats makes your point complete pointless i don't write he was a criminal i write he was "evil" you don't need to do gangster stuff to be evil.


    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    You have posts after posts of little anecdotes and Wikipedia quotes - and who in their right mind would use Wikipedia snippets as a valid source,
    you just FAIL here because i only quote wikipedia stuff with 100% source mark. this means i do not quote wikipedia i quote the source of the wikipedia. this means i use wikipedia as a searching machine like Google.

    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    which prove more about you than about Steve Jobs.
    my personal reputation don't have any priority for me.
    I'm not a super star like Steve Jobs and i don't want to be one.

    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    So:
    1. don't quote Stallman, he's at such an extreme that it basically makes him a lunatic,
    my result that Steve jobs is evil is with or without stallmann true. i only quote him because he cover my point of view.

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    2. don't argue about what he didn't do, or hypothetical discoveries that never took place - consider what he DID create

    ?? what da??? i do not argue what he didn't do.. i only argue on stuff f he really do!
    i consider what he did create and my result is he create nothing only Wozniak do something.
    Wozniak=100% true hacker with 100% true work and Steve Jobs only use Wozniak as a slave !
    Steve Jobs business model only was to exploit Wozniak.

    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    3. Let me quote Linus: "It?s not passion for something, it becomes passion against something else" - this is you, posting right now. Because (rich) people willingly buying Apple products means enslavement and exploitation. Jesus Christ, how biased can you get...
    its my freedom of chose to be against the apple bullshit and brainwashing machines

    in our world there are not so many brainwashing resistant humans I'm one of them.

    I Don't care how rich there are and i know very poor people buy apple stuff just because they try to lift them up with expensive status symbols and apple know that they just suck these poor people out like vampires.

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  • yogi_berra
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    Originally posted by scjet View Post
    Of course Stallaman is right
    No he's not. He's just a sad little man attacking a dead guy that he demonized for daring to make money from his software.

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  • Panix
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    Originally posted by urfe View Post
    Sorry, you're horrible wrong: he doesn't store it as cash, under a mattress. Banks have it and use it. The same goes for shares. Most of that fortune is actually more volatile than you think. Second, and more important: it's his right.
    You're the one who's wrong.

    If he did something unethical, immoral and was ruthless with his business (and ascent), then how is that excusable? So, people excuse how he progressed in business because the end product are user-friendly, versatile, fun gadgets? Not to mention, expensive, closed-source, exclusionary, and this is valued and heralded especially by Linux users?!? I, for one, don't understand it. Not when there's so many OSS fans here.

    I would think Jobs/Mac would be one where the attitude or philosophy is criticized even if the general functionality (if the closed nature is disregarded for argument) is thought as favorable.

    I think one can be positive and complimentary about the design and user-friendly usability (esp. the GUI/looks/appearance) but why can't you be critical/objective about the philosophy at the same time?

    Apple/Mac have the rare quality of being both functional (i.e. it works) and good quality/design/looks wise. The problem is that the business model of closed source and gouging on price cancels it out. It's not that it's expensive but that there is an obvious amount of greed in how the company operates. That's why it gets compared to MSoft, imho.

    Anyway, that's my two cents.........

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