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  • Originally posted by Tweenk View Post
    About cancers around nuclear power plants: This kind of study has been done in many countries (USA, UK, France, Sweden...) and only the German one showed a correlation. The authors of the German study said that radiation cannot be the cause, as there was no extra radiation around the NPPs. Furthermore, a similar correlation was found in places where NPPs were once planned but none were built. (Last link is very informative.)
    http://www.nhs.uk/news/2011/05May/Pa...ia-report.aspx
    http://nuclearpoweryesplease.org/blo...er-or-does-it/
    http://talknuclear.ca/index.php/2011...of-the-debate/

    There is evidence that childhood leukemia is caused by infective diseases. When service towns are built near NPPs and other large industrial installations, it increases children's exposure to infections.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...00047-0003.pdf
    you really know more than the Germans NOT!

    here we go: http://www.ndr.de/regional/niedersac...z/asse533.html

    they still don't know why.

    but there is another funny fact about nuclear waste the nuclear shit kills unborn girls:

    http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/33/33715/1.html
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    • Originally posted by Tweenk View Post
      About the main claim of the article, that Germany is an exporter of power despite axing 20% of its generation. Another poster already said this is average data since January, and Germany became an importer since the shutdown. But if anyone still has doubts, look at the chart in this article:
      http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NP...y_3108111.html
      LOL do you read the threat? NOT!

      Germany is an transit land of energy but Germany export more energy than they import..

      and its 4TWt of export
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      • That's not the problem with Q's sources or assertions. He uses his beloved Government as sources. The same liars and crooks that hype the EU and Euro. These same crooks cook the figures for their own benefits. There's profits to be made even if the energies are inefficient and costly. The subsidize the renewable energies with taxes and high trade costs. It's about money and contracts. Just print up the money when needed.

        Q just won't be objective looking at the German government since he loves Merkel and the Greens so much.

        All the non-European or in other words, independent reports indicate the costs and inefficiencies of non-nuclear power. It's satisfactory to phase out nuclear power if that is what is decided but it's misleading to not factor in the costs and inefficiencies of the other renewable energies. Especially wind, which is absolutely inefficient in all areas including cost for what you get.

        With all the criticism and spin about nuclear power, the reliability of the renewable energy options are omitted and neglected. Sure, electric power grids are favorable but how reliable are they? How much backup do you need and what do you use as such?

        Germany is so confident in these that they are BUILDING 26 COAL PLANTS!

        http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15065249,00.html

        http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110713-36277.html

        http://www.nationalreview.com/planet...greg-pollowitz

        http://motorcitytimes.com/mct/2010/0...ts-in-germany/

        Merkel and the Greens are disgusting hypocrites.

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        • Originally posted by Panix View Post
          The subsidize the renewable energies with taxes
          LOL you are a Liar nothing more Germany do have 0 subsidizes on renewable energies.
          the EEG-LAW is a Pay as you go model. and not a subsidize.
          really i know you lie because i know you know its not a subsidize.


          Originally posted by Panix View Post
          Q just won't be objective looking at the German government since he loves Merkel
          i don't love merkel because merkel drop the first nuclear exit.
          she is just a flag in the wind and she is already doomed thats for sure.

          Originally posted by Panix View Post
          He uses his beloved Government as sources.
          for example the 67,30? per 1kwh KILO Watt studies isn't a gov one
          and i only need a single source from non gov with an valid argument to prove you wrong!

          Originally posted by Panix View Post
          Sure, electric power grids are favorable but how reliable are they? How much backup do you need and what do you use as such?
          they use as backup: wood-gas-power plants, biomass to liquid to diesel power plants,methane synthesis +gas power plants,water power plants, water driven storage power plants,they also want timing the industries to only produce energy hungry stuff on time with wind also as a negative power plant.
          they also want to force by law washing machines and dishwashers and refrigerators as negative power plants with timer function.

          "reliable" its a matter of fact that more advance technical stuff also means its more reliable because of the more backups.

          Originally posted by Panix View Post
          Especially wind, which is absolutely inefficient in all areas including cost for what you get.
          and again... a lie... there is no subsidize for wind plus the EEG law limits the cost to 0,05? per 1kwh.
          please stop this its really stupid.

          Originally posted by Panix View Post
          Merkel and the Greens are disgusting hypocrites.
          you fail here to because the SPD is also against nuclear power and the "The left" also.
          this means 9x% of all germans are against YOU!
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          • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
            you fail here to because the SPD is also against nuclear power and the "The left" also.
            this means 9x% of all germans are against YOU!
            True that. Most Germans do not want nuclear power. But in this topic I see a lot of non-Germans (Americans?) for nuclear power in Germany. What do they think? That Germans are slave people who are not allowed to decide for themselves?

            Watch out, next thing the Americans are going to invade Germany and install a pro-nuclear puppet regime!

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            • Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
              True that. Most Germans do not want nuclear power. But in this topic I see a lot of non-Germans (Americans?) for nuclear power in Germany. What do they think? That Germans are slave people who are not allowed to decide for themselves?

              Watch out, next thing the Americans are going to invade Germany and install a pro-nuclear puppet regime!
              You're just as stupid as they are then.

              I don't know about them but I'm not arguing pro or con or for/against. That is my philosophy. I am saying that many people in this thread are disputing the numbers. There are those presenting the costs as very high despite Q's ramblings about it's cheap. That just isn't the case. One only has to use common sense. If it was so cheap and no concern over backup energy, why is Germany manufacturing and adding over 20 coal plants?!? Does that make any sense whatsoever? People just have to use common sense but I believe they're too damn stupid! If these renewable energies were 1) cheap enough; 2) reliable and 3) efficient, you would not need the absolute worst energy source in terms of CO2 and cost. Coal is one of the worst for both.

              All report show as the costs being high.

              http://www.germanenergyblog.de/?p=6992

              http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...578974178.html

              http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...nter-says.html

              http://www.toytowngermany.com/lofi/i...hp/t53618.html

              If there is any interpretation that the prices are low, it's because the Government is incurring the cost and passing off in terms of taxes. But, reports suggest that the energy prices are going up.

              When you factor in how much debt and money the Germans are committing to bailouts and Euro promotion, you can surely see that these prices will eventually skyrocket unless kept low through artificial means. Germans are fools if they think these Governments are doing them a favor.

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              • Originally posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
                True that. Most Germans do not want nuclear power. But in this topic I see a lot of non-Germans (Americans?) for nuclear power in Germany. What do they think? That Germans are slave people who are not allowed to decide for themselves?

                Watch out, next thing the Americans are going to invade Germany and install a pro-nuclear puppet regime!
                LOL o yes thank you for your post... i really can not understand these nuclear fan boys.

                maybe they are payed? I'm 100% not payed!
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                • Originally posted by Panix View Post
                  why is Germany manufacturing and adding over 20 coal plants?!?
                  there is an technique named coal-solar combination power plant.
                  its true you can use the same technique for both then you save a lot of money.
                  because you only need a generator for 2 power plants and many other stuff its a synergy effect.
                  these technique based on the idea of a thermal concentrating sun solar power plant heating up the water in a tower and expand it in turbines and run the generators.
                  and then in the night you just burn coal to run the same generator and the same turbines.

                  this kind of power pant is extremely cheap and effective.

                  and it runs 24 hours a day and 365 days a year.

                  http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Solar...ft-763121.html
                  Last edited by Qaridarium; 10-04-2011, 10:08 PM.
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                  • Q, you are using a technique of debate known as Gish Gallop. That is, instead of considering the presented information before writing a reply, you are meeting every post with an unending stream of bullshit and misinterpreted information, in hope of tiring the opponent into leaving.
                    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

                    As such, I think there is little point in responding to you, except maybe for the benefit of other people reading this thread. So I'll pick one thing from your wall of text:

                    Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                    he also fails to understand that the 50? per 1MWh is without insurance of the 100% full damage sum.
                    Practically nothing is insured against "worst possible accident", which is what I think you are referring to here. For example - hydro dams are not insured against catastrophic failure and resulting flood. When it happens, the full cost of remediating the situation is borne by the government. Same for many other industrial objects; many of them are not insured against catastrophic failure. In fact, the mandatory insurance required in the nuclear industry is uniquely high in most countries.

                    Informative report about the insurance thing (but you will probably ignore it, because it is from an organization with "nuclear" in its name, and respond with yet another wall of text with links to reputable sources such as German blogs and tabloids which I can't understand):
                    http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf67.html

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                    • Originally posted by Qaridarium View Post
                      LOL do you read the threat? NOT!

                      Germany is an transit land of energy but Germany export more energy than they import..

                      and its 4TWt of export
                      You just refuse to understand anything which goes against your preconceived notion of "nuclear bad, booo".

                      Do you actually understand this chart at all? It shows: before shutdown, a lot of export; after shutdown, mostly import. So the average over 6 months will show some net export. But this does not reflect the present day - the average includes almost 4 months of nuclear power plant operation. Do an average since the shutdown and you will see net import. Germany being a transit country has nothing to do with this because the chart contains net power flow (e.g. export minus import). If you can't understand this simple point then everyone is just wasting their time talking to you.

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