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  • PsynoKhi0
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    Originally posted by PsynoKhi0 View Post
    Isn't that why their a fav of MS's PR department?
    Thank you for the 1-minute edit window, I shall remember to double-check my text for spelling mistakes next time:
    their = they're

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  • PsynoKhi0
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    Originally posted by deanjo View Post
    Using forums to gauge if a product works or not is a poor barometer. People that have issues go to forums, people that don't have little to no reason to visit such threads.
    And for the same reason, seeing a direct correlation between search term frequency and popularity is misleading at best.

    "Ubuntu" might be showing a declining trend in google stats because:
    - Fewer people are having problems and thus don't need to search for a solution as often, which might also mean...
    - More people are using Ubuntu and have learned how to properly manage it "on-site" or know their way around the interwebz (no need for a search), which leads to...
    - More word-of-mouth advertising and more people willing to try it out because they know their cousin/pal/neighbour/whatever can chime in in case trouble strikes (again, no internet search)...

    Statistics are a double-edged sword, really... The only show "what", hardly ever "why"...

    Isn't that why their a fav of MS's PR department?
    "W7 is the best selling OS ever"
    Well duh?
    1. Try to buy a PC w/o from any Joe Sixpack brick-and-mortar shop (that includes getting a refund for an unused license... If you have any trick please share, with the added threat of having to return the comp, I really wonder how their new terms ever got passed legislative bodies)
    2. Vista was a dud, and with the explosion of home broadband/internet usage since XP, coupled with the above fact, of course the market's gonna be big
    3. In case they've missed the headlines, we're recovering from a global economical crisis, Joe Sixpack's more willing to spend on a replacement to that cranky dekstop of his...
    In that context, not ALL that impressive all things considered, now, is it?

    @Kjella: that's called the eternal conundrum of alternative OSes... Helped along by less than ethical business methods of established players, mind you, but still

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  • Dukenukemx
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    Originally posted by Kjella View Post
    It doesn't apply just to hardware drivers, if 99% of the market has no problem doing something then they don't care that it doesn't work for your obscure solution. You can look at browsers, when 95%+ was IE nobody cared if the site required IE6/ActiveX (and so Windows). If you used one of those "weird" browsers you were just being intentionally difficult like complaining that your fork isn't working to eat soup with.

    When I struggle with one of those IM clones, my Windows buddy asks "Why can't you just be normal and use MSN as everyone else?" Same goes if OpenOffice has some problem, why not use MS Office like everyone else. If some web page plugin doesn't work, it's all "sorry we only support Windows and Mac". Everything is your problem, because you choose to be part of so small a minority it can be ignored.

    If enough people use it, it becomes their problem and/or opportunity "10% of the market can't use our Windows solution, we're losing money on this as we lose sales and page hits." It's no longer all your problem having to reverse engineer everything and struggling just to keep the desktop usable. People start wanting to *support* using Linux. Poor compatibility with Linux solutions becomes a problem to producers. More people start making web services or cross-platform software.

    Some people in the Linux community really do need some wakeup calls, they go around saying Linux is SO ready for the desktop and when newbies point out the ways it's not they get hounded. It's creepy how much it acts like a good cop/bad cop routine the way where some lure them in while others go like "whine whine whine, you contribute nothing and didn't pay for it so STFU" Well maybe the "recruiters" should mention that you'll get treated like dirt and get shit for help too? And not just spout a lot of dogma about the superior open source model...

    I use Linux. I use it because I can hack around on it and make it work, it works as *MY* desktop as so many are happy to point out. But I would quite clearly say that many of the things I've had to do to make it work is not for anyone but hardcore geeks. The people here have a huge bias because everyone they know are people that know a Linux geek that can help them out. Without it, most people would be completely and utterly lost.
    To all you hardcore linux guys, please pay attention to what Kjella wrote. He hit the issues right on.

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  • sabriah
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    Originally posted by Iksf View Post
    Out of interest why should we even care about people switching to Linux? Market volume forHardware drivers, ok fair one, its important to be able to have. Other than that whats to gain?
    Hmmm... There is a LOT to care about why people switching to Linux matters. Hardware support is definitely there.

    Without the hardware support Linux is in trouble as a desktop platform. The last decade's enormous progress has been fantastic. Don't expect this kind of market share that we see now if hardware support would begin to fail. Even if it hurts to say, there needs to be some sort positive hype every now and then. Ubuntu was one.

    I for one would be very, very sad to see Linux relegated to mobile phones, dish washers, and obsolete desktop hardware.

    Market share as such is not interesting. It is the large number of positive spin offs it generates that is the important aspect. Therefore, one must care about the reasons for people leaving or switching to Linux.

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  • devius
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    Originally posted by Kjella View Post
    The people here have a huge bias because everyone they know are people that know a Linux geek that can help them out. Without it, most people would be completely and utterly lost.
    I know a lot of people who are lost in windows and need help from a geek (yes, me) to solve problems that come up. If someone doesn't know how to configure outlook express or the network settings on windows, they probably won't be able to do the same on linux. It's a misconception that in the windows side everything always works perfectly all the time. Anyone who can solve problems in windows can do the same in linux. It's all a matter of wanting to do so.

    PS: I don't personally know anyone else who uses linux, but I know how to use google.

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  • devius
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    Originally posted by Svartalf View Post
    The "crap" stuff was typically cheap- something they shaved pennies to dimes off their BoM to get their margins up, only to cause other problems down the line.
    No no no no no no. You misunderstood me. I was referring to the original post that based something as being popular just by the google trends rank. If you search "crap" on google trends you see it's becoming less popular as well. Probably means an increase in constipation. That's my professionally crafted analytical statistics report.

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  • Kjella
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    Originally posted by Iksf View Post
    Out of interest why should we even care about people switching to Linux? Market volume forHardware drivers, ok fair one, its important to be able to have. Other than that whats to gain? Even if Linux was to get more market share than Mac people would still write in .NET and DirectX etc. On the flip side the community is also diluted with people who dont care about freedom, community or any of the principles, have no interest in learning to help themselves, and just want people to help them.
    It doesn't apply just to hardware drivers, if 99% of the market has no problem doing something then they don't care that it doesn't work for your obscure solution. You can look at browsers, when 95%+ was IE nobody cared if the site required IE6/ActiveX (and so Windows). If you used one of those "weird" browsers you were just being intentionally difficult like complaining that your fork isn't working to eat soup with.

    When I struggle with one of those IM clones, my Windows buddy asks "Why can't you just be normal and use MSN as everyone else?" Same goes if OpenOffice has some problem, why not use MS Office like everyone else. If some web page plugin doesn't work, it's all "sorry we only support Windows and Mac". Everything is your problem, because you choose to be part of so small a minority it can be ignored.

    If enough people use it, it becomes their problem and/or opportunity "10% of the market can't use our Windows solution, we're losing money on this as we lose sales and page hits." It's no longer all your problem having to reverse engineer everything and struggling just to keep the desktop usable. People start wanting to *support* using Linux. Poor compatibility with Linux solutions becomes a problem to producers. More people start making web services or cross-platform software.

    Some people in the Linux community really do need some wakeup calls, they go around saying Linux is SO ready for the desktop and when newbies point out the ways it's not they get hounded. It's creepy how much it acts like a good cop/bad cop routine the way where some lure them in while others go like "whine whine whine, you contribute nothing and didn't pay for it so STFU" Well maybe the "recruiters" should mention that you'll get treated like dirt and get shit for help too? And not just spout a lot of dogma about the superior open source model...

    I use Linux. I use it because I can hack around on it and make it work, it works as *MY* desktop as so many are happy to point out. But I would quite clearly say that many of the things I've had to do to make it work is not for anyone but hardcore geeks. The people here have a huge bias because everyone they know are people that know a Linux geek that can help them out. Without it, most people would be completely and utterly lost.

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  • shawnchin
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    no thats not happen really....old is gold people still learn Linux and giving training on it.

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  • Svartalf
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    Originally posted by Dennisial View Post
    i had used it for one year, easy to use but the desktop platform is ugly.
    Used WHAT? Linux? Heh...which distribution, and when? If you can't answer that...you're not being honest with us there.

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  • Svartalf
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    Originally posted by devius View Post
    I don't get why he keeps buying HP printers if he hates them so much. I always investigate if a printer has good linux support before buying it, and so far this has been a successful approach with two Samsung and Brother printers working flawlessly.
    With the other printers I've got being Epsons...can't complain, really (My best printers are the 1218 and the two Epsons, one MF model...). Printer support's getting better on many of the problem models and more and more aren't "problem child" devices.

    As it stands, I don't get why he says they don't work. And I'm with you, I don't get if he's had issues, why he's not moved on to other gear as budget permitted- or why he didn't do a bit of research before buying, unless he had them before his move to Linux.

    Perhaps it's a specific multi-function or feature set thereof he's insisting on using.. Most of the MF lineup use PCL for the printer command set (That's been solidly defined and implemented...) and the scanners tend to be standard USB HP scanners. It's when you try using the "advanced" features like WiFi support that you get "doesn't work well" out of them- but then they have...issues...when you're driving that stuff with Windows to begin with as they've implemented the most minimal print/wireless-USB server on the printer with that stuff.

    That's my experience as well (since it seems experience is the only thing that counts). Had a cheap Canon printer that worked in linux, although some configuration options were not available, but it died after 2 years of usage.
    Yeah, it's the story with the Canon I'm using off and on. I will say I prefer the Epson or HP over it- but it's been reasonably trouble-free. Now, the OTHER Canon I've got that was just given to me? Paperweight. As was the previous three before it.

    BTW, on the plus side it seems that "crap" is also becoming less popular
    The "crap" stuff was typically cheap- something they shaved pennies to dimes off their BoM to get their margins up, only to cause other problems down the line. I see the stuff crop up from time to time- but most people have gotten to figuring out which is the crapshoot and which is the stuff you want. And, it's not always brand-name or expensive stuff either.

    Occasionally, I'll buy a paperweight or be given one. It would be the same story if I were using Windows. It's just not any easier in that world...just different if you're not buying an OEM pre-installed machine from someone. And if you upgrade...you're just as on your own as you'd be if you were using Linux.

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