Linux CoC Announces Decision Following Recent Bcachefs Drama

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • clipcarl
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2023
    • 31

    Originally posted by browseria View Post

    ...
    I'm not quoting your last post because I pretty much 100% agree with it so there's nothing left to discuss.

    It seems we've both managed to do what seemed impossible in the world yesterday; we've challenged our own assumptions and managed to see and understand better a differing point of view. If that can happen on the Phoronix comments then perhaps there's hope for the world after all.

    Thanks.

    Comment

    • fotomar
      Phoronix Member
      • Jun 2024
      • 99

      Originally posted by clipcarl View Post

      Except that Slashdot article's description of what happened is pretty much completely wrong. I suggest you dig a little deeper.
      “It's not happening, but the fact that it happened is a good thing.”

      Comment

      • w466u8tw7
        Junior Member
        • May 2024
        • 3

        Originally posted by clipcarl View Post
        It's strange to me that so many people these days consider the idea of being civil to people you work with (and to other human beings in general) a political agenda.
        This is what happens when constant consumption of propaganda turns your brain to soup

        Comment

        • shanedav4
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2019
          • 31

          The next time Linus goes off the rails and insults people, he had better get banned to. This decision is the beginning of the death for the kernel.

          Comment

          • fotomar
            Phoronix Member
            • Jun 2024
            • 99

            Originally posted by shanedav4 View Post
            This decision is the beginning of the death for the kernel.
            It’s no joke. I just spun up an instance of NetBSD to start evaluating it for some of my go-forward efforts. Linux won’t die quickly, but it’s clear now the best days are behind it.



            Comment

            • User29
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2023
              • 253

              Originally posted by lyamc View Post

              EXT4 makes some changes to itself and it's fine, lgtm.

              Bcachefs makes a change/implements a kernel feature and it runs into a problem. Kernel maintainers get all uppity because other stuff works fine so it must be bcachefs, but then you find out that no, it's actually a problem for other ones but nothing has used it enough to really notice it.
              No, it may affect all filesystems if the FS maintainer is interested.

              What I meant is the difference in style and the communication.

              Comment

              • User29
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2023
                • 253

                Originally posted by browseria View Post

                I don't get what you are saying here, bcachefs is the ONLY file system that fully supports large folios (besides AFS, XFS), with the potential of EXT4 adopting it in the near future. XFS only got done because the guy who did the yeoman's work on large folios took it upon himself to convert XFS personally. Meanwhile, you've got kernel maintainers asking things like "how long can I get away with NOT implementing large folios". What was the point you are trying to make?
                The point was the style of communication and the zero level of drama.

                Comment

                • Shagga, Son of Dolf
                  Junior Member
                  • Jan 2022
                  • 14

                  Originally posted by TheMightyBuzzard View Post

                  You need to get out in the real world. Work something blue collar for a year or two. You'll see much less polite conversations happening every single day.
                  As someone who worked in a blue collar job before software engineering: Yes the language might be rough sometimes. But it's not insulting. Or you know the person you direct it to very, very well. And even if, you never do that in public.

                  And the single biggest lesson a blue collar job teaches you: You don't join the team and then tell them that now the things are done your way. A team has a way of operating. You either adapt or gtfo. And they will let you know.

                  Comment

                  • lyamc
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2020
                    • 528

                    Originally posted by User29 View Post

                    The point was the style of communication and the zero level of drama.
                    Because no one rejected it for a stupid reason.

                    Comment

                    • lowflyer
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 922

                      Originally posted by User29 View Post
                      The point was the style of communication and the zero level of drama.
                      Yeah, "the style of communication and the zero level of drama" is a smokescreen to avoid difficult questions.

                      Look how one-sided it was applied. Are we expected to "just ignore" that the others in these heated discussions did not show a "better style of communication"? As a rational human being I would expect the same level of professionalism that is expected from Kent, from the others as well - even from the CoC.

                      This whole drama could have been cut short by Linus putting down his word of authority: "one week timeout, no posts to the LKML - to all three of you". But he choose to plead to the CoC, which just took the path of least resistance.

                      Linus was never a real leader. He used a style of "letting the experts discuss it out - then take the solution that evolves out of it". That's not real leadership. In the past, he encouraged to "Fight passionately for things you think are important". With these CoC actions, Linus has become untrue to himself.

                      As some in this forum already mentioned: The good times of Linux are over.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X