Bcachefs Changes Rejected Reportedly Due To CoC, Kernel Future "Uncertain"

[mobadboy]

Don't sell yourself short, your skills in that area have only increased over the years.

Seriously though, you sound like a whiny little Millennial who thinks the world owes them happiness and comfort. That's not how life works, Nancy. Which you should obviously know since the level of asshole you're displaying here if equated to a skill level would be fairly impressive.

Me? I've been coding since before the camel book was out for Perl and I'm still laid back and easy to work with. But I'm not nice. If you start an argument, I will finish it. Brutally. And I will be right. But I won't take it personally.

banger

its been a long time since i felt young

you might be too senile to know this, but you should know that millenials are, at the youngest, in their late 20s?

i recall Gen X being accused of all the same bullshit. and then they got older, just like millenials did.

you're mixing up millenials with gen z. and literally every generation at college-age that has unrealistic expectations of the world until they go out and experience it.

And I will be right.

LMFAO

its just unintelligent to have that attitude and to become complacent. odds are that you aren't as smart as you think you are and that's true for everyone. the first step is to acknowledge it.

[TheMightyBuzzard]

Except what you describe is not at all what the complaint is about. The complaint is about asshats who thinks that the world owes them happiness and comfort and being allowed to be asshats without consequences. They are not finishing arguments, they are starting them. Aka you are identifying with the wrong side here.



No Russians have been banned.



That is not what is happening here though, the one keeping it secret is Kent himself that instead of posting exactly what he wrote is writing an assay on what he want's you to believe that he wrote.

No, the complaint is about someone overvaluing their value in relation to the project as a whole. There is a huge difference. Kent legitimately has kills and is indeed an expert. He is a beautiful and unique snowflake, relatively speaking. Unfortunately for him so are a whole lot of the kernel team, most especially Linus. They can work it out just fine themselves without some unskilled bureaucrats in the CoC committee butting in though. The fact that Linux still exists with Linus as the HMFIC after so many years proves that the kernel team are able to work with people with huge skill sets and the accompanying egos just fine.

[F.Ultra]

The whole drama seams to have started with this post:

> On Mon 02-09-24 04:52:49, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 02, 2024 at 10:41:31AM GMT, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Sun 01-09-24 21:35:30, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > But I am saying that kmalloc(__GFP_NOFAIL) _should_ fail and return NULL
> > > > in the case of bugs, because that's going to be an improvement w.r.t.
> > > > system robustness, in exactly the same way we don't use BUG_ON() if it's
> > > > something that we can't guarantee won't happen in the wild - we WARN()
> > > > and try to handle the error as best we can.
> > >
> > > We have discussed that in a different email thread. And I have to say
> > > that I am not convinced that returning NULL makes a broken code much
> > > better. Why? Because we can expect that broken NOFAIL users will not have a
> > > error checking path. Even valid NOFAIL users will not have one because
> > > they _know_ they do not have a different than retry for ever recovery
> > > path.
> >
> > You mean where I asked you for a link to the discussion and rationale
> > you claimed had happened? Still waiting on that
>
> I am not your assistent to be tasked and search through lore archives.
> Find one if you need that.
>
> Anyway, if you read the email and even tried to understand what is
> written there rather than immediately started shouting a response then
> you would have noticed I have put actual arguments here. You are free to
> disagree with them and lay down your arguments. You have decided to
>
> [...]
>
> > Yeah, enough of this insanity.
>
> so I do not think you are able to do that. Again...

Michal, if you think crashing processes is an acceptable alternative to
error handling _you have no business writing kernel code_.

You have been stridently arguing for one bad idea after another, and
it's an insult to those of us who do give a shit about writing reliable
software.

You're arguing against basic precepts of kernel programming.

Get your head examined. And get the fuck out of here with this shit.

[mobadboy]

The whole drama seams to have started with this post:

LMFAO

i dont recall kent mentioning that in his post........

wonder why

[Chugworth]

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[TheMightyBuzzard]

banger

its been a long time since i felt young

you might be too senile to know this, but you should know that millenials are, at the youngest, in their late 20s?

i recall Gen X being accused of all the same bullshit.

Naw, you never heard of Gen-X thinking they were special. Nothing in our raising could have possibly lead us to believe so. Lazy? Sure. We're still lazy. We just come at it from the "I'd rather just get the work done than deal with someone bitching" direction, so it looks like a work ethic to the untrained eye. You guys? Heh.

And I can say for an absolute certainty that Gen-Z (and especially the older Alphas) are better employees in their 20s than you lot were. They're still annoying but at least after you explain that bitching while getting the job done is a fine American tradition, "while you're getting the job done" is the crucial phrase, they don't act like they're doing everyone a favor by showing up to work.

[BesiegedAce]

kent's post reads like deflection more than anything.

[TheMightyBuzzard]

Linus thinks he doesn't! Lots of the existing devs want him to go away since he causes so much friction

Naw, Linus just got tired of his crap and reminded him that he's neither the only expert nor the only asshole in the room. How he deals with that reminder should be up to him but the CoCs getting involved where they're not needed will undoubtedly make life worse for everyone.

[Quackdoc]

The whole drama seams to have started with this post:

I love this thread so much, basically kent disagreed, michal said it was discused in a previous thread, kent asked for thread, michal said to find it himself, kent accused him of being insane because he again, couldn't find the thread and people refused to provide it, michal said kent was incapable of not being insane, kent told michal to get his head examined, shuah said the behavior is inexcusable (but saying kent is incapable of not being insane isn't)

[bkdwt]

"CoC board"
What in the name of fuck...

Linus is a cuck for accept this crap called "CoC" on the pass.