Fedora Stakeholders Debate Concerns Over "Karma" Term For Their Updates System

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  • ehansin
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2016
    • 697

    #21
    I don't have strong feelings about the term karma, but to be honest doesn't intuitively give me a sense of what it is about. But I don't have a horse in this race. I know there was some hoopla around changing master to main in GitHub for example. I'll admit, back in the day of old IDE drives and jumpers, the terms master and slave did catch my attention. Regarding Git references, I actually like the use of main over master - it is much more descriptive to me (though I get there is a long history in computing, electronics, audio, etc. with using the term master) and doesn't have those subtle tones to it (and I am far from being worried about words). Trunk is another good one, but main is easier to type than all of them and really gets to the point. You don't have agree with me here, just sharing my POV. Again, on this issue no horse of mine in this race.

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    • lyamc
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2020
      • 526

      #22
      Originally posted by timrichardson View Post

      I love Phoronix but Michael absolutely can't resist highlighting any minor item if there is a "woke" angle.

      Consider it "current events". There's still a lot of discussion and news around woke so expect to see more tech news related to it.

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      • Duff~
        Phoronix Member
        • Aug 2019
        • 86

        #23
        Just dont change it to downvote or upvote
        lets try slave and master

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        • DanL
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 3122

          #24
          Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
          Play ignorant all you like... everyone here knows that this is just a continuation of your party choosing to continue to use 1984 as an instruction manual rather than a warning
          I'm an independent. (Sorry to disappoint you.)

          Banning all the words you don't like in order to create your butchered and tortured version of English known as NewSpeak.
          LMAO.​ No one is banning the word 'karma'. In fact, it's the opposite. Folks want to use the word properly and worry that using it as a synonym for feedback dilutes the meaning.

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          • Luke_Wolf
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2011
            • 2808

            #25
            Originally posted by DanL View Post
            I'm an independent. (Sorry to disappoint you.)


            LMAO.​ No one is banning the word 'karma'. In fact, it's the opposite. Folks want to use the word properly and worry that using it as a synonym for feedback dilutes the meaning.
            Whatever you say communist.

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            • Luke_Wolf
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 2808

              #26
              Originally posted by ehansin View Post
              I don't have strong feelings about the term karma, but to be honest doesn't intuitively give me a sense of what it is about. But I don't have a horse in this race. I know there was some hoopla around changing master to main in GitHub for example. I'll admit, back in the day of old IDE drives and jumpers, the terms master and slave did catch my attention. Regarding Git references, I actually like the use of main over master - it is much more descriptive to me (though I get there is a long history in computing, electronics, audio, etc. with using the term master) and doesn't have those subtle tones to it (and I am far from being worried about words). Trunk is another good one, but main is easier to type than all of them and really gets to the point. You don't have agree with me here, just sharing my POV. Again, on this issue no horse of mine in this race.
              It's much more simple than all that: Either you believe in Freedom of Speech and people's right to say what they want or you believe in controlling speech, those are the two sides here. The words involved don't really matter because it's really just all about power on the part of censors.

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              • FedFer
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2023
                • 29

                #27
                Originally posted by Luke_Wolf View Post

                It's much more simple than all that: Either you believe in Freedom of Speech and people's right to say what they want or you believe in controlling speech, those are the two sides here. The words involved don't really matter because it's really just all about power on the part of censors.
                Freedom of speech has been absolutely mutilated as a concept, it once meant being able to express one self and be able to hold an opinion but now days you think that just because some terms are not being used in certain contexts people are "limiting your freedom of speech". That's wrong, just plain wrong. Nobody is censoring the word karma. I believe in freedom of speech, this also means that I have to accept that I must listen to opinions on which I don't agree on and that's a fact because then it wouldn't really be freedom of speech if it were just for me.

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                • mr_tawan
                  Phoronix Member
                  • Nov 2014
                  • 83

                  #28
                  Speaking as someone with "Buddhism" attached to their ID card (yes our citizen ID has religion field on it), I don't really think the word 'karma' is entirely religion-related. (Bodhi is, in the other hand, 100% related). Karma, to my understanding, means the result of action given to the one performed the said action. It's like the consequence of your action.

                  It can be something simple like when you slap your own face, then the karma is your face hurts (and probably your hand too). Simple as that.

                  Personally I think karma is not like scoring system. It's not about people judging your action whether is good or not, but more about having people judge your action as a good or bad action (geeze this is somewhat hard to describe). I think it would be more precise to have like or dislike button, or maybe vote up or down.

                  But well language keeps evolving and words do not forever retain their meaning. Take the word "Podcast" nowaday even have video versions...

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                  • NathanG
                    Phoronix Member
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 62

                    #29
                    Seems like they may as well just get on and change it, no real drama.

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                    • pieman
                      Phoronix Member
                      • Mar 2020
                      • 111

                      #30
                      absolutely amazing they went from purging father, mother, parent, master, slave, blacklist, whitelist, to now karma over the course of a decade.

                      linux community unfortunately has truly become infested with absolute banana brain crazies. its made me realize awhile ago that all the bad things about religion is not inherent to religion at all. all the bad things about religion will manifest regardless. all it takes is a really dumb ideology to get people to become really dumb people.

                      linux community simply changed "heresy" to "insensitivity" much like communist changed imperialism to liberation or republicans in the 2000s and now democrats in the modern area with imperialism to "spreading democracy."

                      going after karma is another pointless, stupid thing to even care about in the first place and here we are arguing over a "religious word" rather than things actually care about. you can't get mad at people who have backlash to you, when you were the ones in the first place getting your panties in a bunch over a dumb word to begin with you wanted to remove it.
                      Last edited by pieman; 11 November 2024, 07:31 PM.

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