Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted

[mSparks]

Note the China there did not dispute the Sat photos.

Because they very likely were

https://tass.com/politics/1454827

I hadn't looked for a while.

March 31 Bucha’s Mayor Anatoly Fedoruk said in a video address that there were no Russian soldiers in the community. Nor did he mention any locals allegedly shot dead on the streets.

Is absolutely damning proof the story was concocted after the fact.

Why are you surprised? During March 2022 Ukraine was indiscriminately shelling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-9ddZjcPUA

every village around Kiev with Russian troops in, the people hadn't been evacuated.

The "fake" parts are that it was the Russians who did it, and that Bucha was the only village Ukrainians were massacring their own civilians.

[oiaohm]

Russian counter-claims are partly based on timing. As the Russian embassy in Canada tweeted, "Taking into account that the troops left the city on March 30, where was the footage for four days? Their absence only confirms the fake."
However, many independent international news agencies have been studying the footage, and The New York Times has analyzed Maxar satellite imagery to show that the bodies were lying in the road on March 19, when Russia's military was in control of the town.

Note the China there did not dispute the Sat photos. There is UN document presentation from China on it that I cannot find at the moment that have their own source images as well. Yes Russia claimed it was faked but all parties with high res sat images that cross over that area can see the bodies on the 18/19. So there is footage from above that show that something wrong happened in Bucha there a detail reports on people who were alive and people who where dead and that tells not the same story as the Ukrainian first said.

The Russia counter claims don't stack up. Now conflict you have to expect that some of your armed forces will do the wrong thing. Russia did not go and look at sat photos from china of the area to make sure that they were in the clear before making statement.

[Ukraine had already been doing that every day for a decade in Donbass already, there is actual footage of Ukrainian soldiers executing a load of people outside a synagogue in donbass before using it as a military base so they had form, where was the NYT then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_synagogues_in_Ukraine

What synagogue. I think you will notice something wrong the the video and the uniform if you look a little closer. This has been another problem Russia has released quite a few times their own forces doing something then claiming it was the Ukrainian. Its kind of the worse then they are attempting to take credit for destroying X item when they are really destroying one of the own units on the Russian side.

I am not saying ukrainians would be above faking footage but the Russians get stuff badly wrong in their faking over and over again.

Religion ban is not genocide. Its cultural persecution at worst.

[mSparks]

mSparks the Bucha incident there is one problem with claim it fake. Chinese sat photos before the Russian withdrew show bodies left in the open. So the claim that the Burcha incident happened after the Russians left was disputed by the China respective to the UN with Sat photos.

Need a link for that,
Chinese media are the ones who point out it happened after.

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2022-04-06/Truth-or-fake-Examining-the-Bucha-evidence-18ZvxAkrQQM/index.html

Russian counter-claims are partly based on timing. As the Russian embassy in Canada tweeted, "Taking into account that the troops left the city on March 30, where was the footage for four days? Their absence only confirms the fake."
However, many independent international news agencies have been studying the footage, and The New York Times has analyzed Maxar satellite imagery to show that the bodies were lying in the road on March 19, when Russia's military was in control of the town.


The obvious alternative is for example some Ukrainians just massacred a load of people going to a Russian church

https://carnegieendowment.org/russia-eurasia/politika/2024/08/zapret-upc-v-ukraine?lang=en

Ukraine had already been doing that every day for a decade in Donbass already, there is actual footage of Ukrainian soldiers executing a load of people outside a synagogue in donbass before using it as a military base so they had form, where was the NYT then?

The fact there has not been a real investigation - at least not published - by now, with actual detailed eyewitness accounts, and that the NYT have now continually proved themselves to be absolute liars leaves the Ukrainian version of the story with zero credibility.

[oiaohm]

That was March 2022.
Russia withdrew march 30th 2022
Ukraine declared war on Russia in April 2022 (under the premise of the almost certainly mostly faked Bucha incident that happened days after the Russians had left)

mSparks the Bucha incident there is one problem with claim it fake. Chinese sat photos before the Russian withdrew show bodies left in the open. So the claim that the Burcha incident happened after the Russians left was disputed by the China respective to the UN with Sat photos.

Also by the people recorded dead and people recorded as alive in Burcha it was not genocide. Burcha by chinese sat photos and everything else looks a secure area operation done way too heavy handed resulting in a lot of non combatant deaths that then the Russia forces when they had to retreat attempted to cover up and did a very poor job of that as well. Yes what was done in Burcha was against Russia law yet Russia did not publicly prosecute the party responsible to make it clear to the Ukraine side this is not standard Russian military procedure or if it was its no longer standard Russia Military procedure.

Remember provable genocide triggers JCI means to active its version of Peace keepers. Lot of ways Ukraine and Russia both claim to have solid evidence that genocide has happened it would have been better if the JCI just started as soon as both made that claim collect and prepping peace keepers and seeing how long before both sided decided it was bad idea to keep on claiming genocide when they don't in fact have the evidence of that. Yes prepping peace keepers to go in and process the evidence. Think of this as the police locking down a crime scene and restricting movement except this is peace keepers/military force with order to use lethal force to secure the area for investigators.

mSparks one of the problems of war like it or not a percentage the armed forces is going to-do the wrong thing. For the war to end fully at some point both sides need to accept what they did wrong and accept responsibility for it. Yes by the independent evidence the Ukraine government is in the right to be upset by Burcha but what they are claim it is happens to be wrong and that absolutely did not help matters..

Yes one way to trigger world war 3 is for China or Russia to be dumb enough todo something that absolute provable genocide and the JCI uses it peace keeper order. Remember ICI peace keeper order has been used 4 times. The last time JCI deployed it peace keepers went really wrong 80% of the country population they went into at the end of it was no more. JCI engagement rules of their peace keepers is absolutely savage. When I say 80% no more I mean 80% dead not refugees.

Countries who know history are scared of the genocide term being linked to them due to what that can trigger. JCI peace keepers due to their operational orders can be worse than the genocide. Yes both Russian and Ukrainians seem to know most west countries fear the genocide word but have critical missed why. Yes part of the problem is the idea that the JCI is toothless when by UN charter that not the case. Yes failure to learn from history you are doomed to repeat it anyone country who has failed to learn from history of JCI could be dooming their country to lose over 80% of their population by doing stuff stupid enough to trigger the JCI peace keepers.

[mSparks]

Its not a pro Ukraine court.



This you have taken and missed something. This is a ruling not to rule at this time.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114052

Yes order to back down has already been given to Russia.

That was March 2022.
Russia withdrew march 30th 2022
Ukraine declared war on Russia in April 2022 (under the premise of the almost certainly mostly faked Bucha incident that happened days after the Russians had left)

The link I just posted is from Feb 2024.

I know your math is super weak, but are you telling me now you dont know 2024 is after 2022?

No wonder it was so easy for them to convince you genocide is good, how the hell do you even get passed a Linux login screen, let alone use it.

[oiaohm]

Nope, that is just the court Ukraine tried and failed in:.

Its not a pro Ukraine court.

The ICJ, known as the World Court, said it did not have jurisdiction to rule on whether Russia’s invasion violated the Genocide Convention, or on whether Moscow’s recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk, two breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine, amounted to a breach of the convention.

This you have taken and missed something. This is a ruling not to rule at this time.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114052

Yes order to back down has already been given to Russia. That order was that by provided information Russia claims are baseless because of lack of verifiable evidence..

They will of course rule Ukraine was commiting genocide and crimes of aggression, because there IS plenty of well documented evidence of it. e.g.

Nothing to say that.

Please note crimes of aggression and genocide are different legal rulings. A party can be killing all your peoples rulers and they are not committing genocide. There is every chance like or not that Ukraine government did not commit genocide and what you are looking at at worst is just crimes of aggression.

That video mSparks you had did not describe any event that legally genocide. Ukraine is not making a list in a genocide way. Think Holocaust germans were making lists of every single jew no exceptions if they had been politically active or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

Conduction repression like apartheid does not meet genocide requirement because is not attempting to wipe the group out. Sad enough spreading anti-personal land mines all over the place does not meet genocide requirement because its not targeted at a particular group of people this falls under possible use of illegal weapons and careless use of weapons not genocide. Targeting Journalists and political leaders who can be intelligence offices is also not genocide this falls under again a different section of law..

You say there is plenty of well documented evidence I am sorry to say when you go though it you don't find possible evidence of genocide in Ukraine by either the Russians or the Ukrainians this is not true in Israel.

Yes there are tones of other crimes Russia and Ukraine governments are both guilty of that is not genocide to go round. You find possible crimes of aggression and carelessness with weapons.... All these crimes historically have been grounds for the JCI to give a ruling to deploy peace keepers and setup exclusion zone between the two parties and proceed with disarmament of both parties..

Please note quickly find evidence of intent to perform genocide on both sides in Israel because they even have the balls to say it in public.

Kind of thing the 2022 ruling was right that Russia justifications don't stack up because Russia overreached and claimed things they don't in fact have the evidence for. That does not mean that there was not thing happening that should not be just not the charges Russia was accusing the Ukrainian government of.

I do highly suspect that it will be ruled Ukraine government has not been committing genocide because there is no evidence of it. There is evidence of other crimes under International law just not genocide.

mSparks its like having evidence that a person stole a single 1 cent coin yet attempting to say they were a repeat offending bank robber is kind of what Russia claims have done and you see people repeating and repeating. Yes you also have the reverse is true on the Ukrainian side.

Yes the ICI jacking up on Ukraine was expected read the JCI charter you are meant to check your own house before you start throwing stones is in the ICI charter. So Ukraine has done this in the wrong order they should have went to JCI to check if the claims of genocide against them was true of false before attempting to get ruling on Russia.

If the JCI moves to in have using to power to-do enforcement the Ukrainians and the Russians will not be happy.

One way JCI can get jurisdiction over the Donetsk and Luhansk, two breakaway republics is a ruling that those areas come a demilitarized zone (DMZ) under ICI peace keeper forces under the JCI control. The other way is those parties decided to sign on with the JCI. Yes making ruling that they do not have juristdiction means if you want to get the ruling you have now move for either those area to agree to JCI or get a ruling to deploy peace keeper putting the area under JCI control.

These are no the ICC peace keepers. The JCI rules for their peace keepers Russian and USA forces as joint force have worked under. The JCI rules is peace keeper will do prescribed sweep and anyone who has not got rid of their weapons before the sweep are to be killed.

People think the JCI is toothless the problem is JCI enforcement is sledge hammer designed to stop genocide by killing everyone who is armed and taking total control of all good in and out of an area. Yes there is no separation here between local police and hostile forces so on anyone inside a JCI peace keeper zone with advanced weapon is to be killed. Anyone entering or leaving the peace keeper zone in vehicle not approved by the JCI force leader is to be killed.

This is absolutely not the ICC peace keepers that play nice. You don't want a conflict to run long enough that the JCI takes action and uses it peace keepers.

There is only 4 places where JCI deployed peace keepers have been used. JCI is Slowpoke Rodriguez of a count. Take JCI lightly at you own peril. Some of what makes JCI slow to move is how long it takes to spin up factories to meet what the JCI ammo requirement will be.

[mSparks]

There are two international courts in Hague.

No that the wrong court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

The International_Criminal_Court ( ICC ) is the Rome Statue.

Nope, that is just the court Ukraine tried and failed in:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/2/icj-rules-that-it-will-hear-part-of-ukraine-russia-genocide-case

The ICJ, known as the World Court, said it did not have jurisdiction to rule on whether Russia’s invasion violated the Genocide Convention, or on whether Moscow’s recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk, two breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine, amounted to a breach of the convention.

They will of course rule Ukraine was commiting genocide and crimes of aggression, because there IS plenty of well documented evidence of it. e.g.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FNShEV_7d3o

Call these people friends and allies at entirely your own risk. But you really are living in a fantasy land if you think the world not dominated by media controlled by the cult of epstein is going to. Definitely don't expect any sympathy when it ends very badly for you. Which it will.

Personally I think you should do a little self reflection on whether you are the badies, for those who do, it looks a lot like:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h242eDB84zY

[oiaohm]

There are two international courts in Hague.

The Hague only has jurisdiction in countries signed up to the rome statute for crimes of genocide. It has nothing to do with the UN or international financial disagreements or judging on how best to settle them.

No that the wrong court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

The International_Criminal_Court ( ICC ) is the Rome Statue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

The ICJ is the successor of the Permanent Court of International Justice (PCIJ), which was established in 1920 by the League of Nations. After the Second World War, the League and the PCIJ were replaced by the United Nations and ICJ, respectively. The Statute of the ICJ, which sets forth its purpose and structure, draws heavily from that of its predecessor, whose decisions remain valid. All member states of the UN are party to the ICJ Statute and may initiate contentious legal cases; however, advisory proceedings may be submitted only by certain UN organs and agencies.

International Court of Justice(ICJ) is it own Statue. Every country that has a seat in the UN has signed the ICJ Statute. To back out of the ICJ Statute equals give up seat at UN. Russia has not vacated their seat on the UN so are still signed to the ICJ Statute.

ICJ can deploy UN peace keepers the ICC cannot. Yes the ICJ can use military force to back a ruling.

Yes the ICJ does handle financial disputes between countries.

https://www.elibrary.imf.org/view/journals/024/1953/002/article-A005-en.xml

Yes all the International Monetary Fund (IMF) cases are processed in the ICJ.

mSparks interesting point is every case that can be brought in the ICC can be brought in the ICJ but not every case that can brought in the ICJ can be brought in the ICC.

The ICC cannot deploy military force to enforce their ruling. ICJ can use Militray force.

ICC is more you international civil court even that it has the name criminal.court in the name. The ICJ that is the UN court is the true equal to a normal criminal court for countries with true powers to enforce rulings by having means to use armed force..

mSparks I said I got it wrong myself the first time. I mixed up two "The Hague" international courts.

Yes it a common mistake to think when a person say a case is going to "The Hague" that its going to the ICC it can be going to the ICJ as well. Yes as a country you really need to know if it ICC or ICJ because ICJ is very much more serous.

The idea that the UN does not have a court is absolutely false.

The reality is Russia could have used the ICJ like IMF does if there was a money problem that they were worried about. Russia could have also used ICJ to get a territory separation ruling to end the battle as well. Yes territory separation ruling in ICJ is maybe what trump does where it freezes the front line and declares a no man zone to be patrolled by UN peace keepers between the two warring parties. This calls on all UN members to provide peace keepers.

Lets say before invading Russia had gone to the ICJ and got ruling for peace keepers the corridor would be about 15km wide at maximum. But after invading and using Heavy weapons this has now expanded to 400km max there is a ICJ formula on how wide the no man zone has to be and it based of weapons used. Yes now a ICJ ruling could have the LPR and DPR completely in the no mans land that would not have been case before.

Yes ICJ ruling at this point would most likely ask for a percentage of Russian land as no man zone where only peace keepers are allowed to operate.

The long the range weapons Russia uses the wider the ICJ no man zone comes. Yes there is a big reason why Russia should not be saber ratting longer and longer range weapons because this is bad for Russia if ICJ gets involved.

[mSparks]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

I said the wrong one. But its the Hague The UN court is "International Court of Justice" in the Hague.

The Hague only has jurisdiction in countries signed up to the rome statute for crimes of genocide. It has nothing to do with the UN or international financial disagreements or judging on how best to settle them.
We are 3 years in and according to the Ukrainians the Russians have killed less people than were shot in Chicago over the same period, so in reality they should care more about the chicago government than anything happening in Ukraine. Except they wont, because the US (and Russia) are not in it's jurisdiction.

You do know Joe Biden is wanted by them for war crimes in Bosnia in the 90s right? thats one of the reasons why he didn't travel much, and when he did it was kept very quiet.

Hence

genocide is ok by Linus as long as there isnt sanctions.

[oiaohm]

UN has no legal authority anywhere, it has no courts, it is just an arena for countries to discuss their disagreements and air their grievances looking for other countries support (which Russia and China have, and the US and UK do not have)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

I said the wrong one. But its the Hague The UN court is "International Court of Justice" in the Hague.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the only international court that adjudicates general disputes between nations, and gives advisory opinions on international legal issues. It is one of the six organs of the United Nations (UN),[1] and is located in The Hague, Netherlands.

Yes where you are meant to go before doing war with or invaiding another country.

The ICJ consists of a panel of 15 judges elected by the UN General Assembly and Security Council for nine-year terms. No more than one judge of each nationality may be represented on court at the same time, and judges collectively must reflect the principal civilizations and legal systems of the world. Seated in the Peace Palace in The Hague, Netherlands, the ICJ is the only principal UN organ not located in New York City.[2] Its official working languages are English and French.

Yes Russia takes part in selecting the Judges at the ICJ so they cannot claim really not to know about it..

mSparks the UN by the ICJ does have quite a bit of legal authority. ICJ is allowed to call for Peace keepers to be deployed.