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  • oiaohm
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    • Mar 2017
    • 8490

    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    NATO fletchettes have fins;
    That not the difference.

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    That video has a mistake on the size of USA fletchettes. They say 1 1/2 but they are 1 1/4 inch what the difference the 1/4 of alignment packing yes this due them not being lose loaded like the Russia.

    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    Russian fletchettes do not (page 132)
    https://www.gichd.org/fileadmin/uplo...dition_web.pdf
    Except that would mean something if it was not documented from prior usage of that round that it contains here 0 fin or 3 fin flechettes and sometimes a mix of both.



    Yes this is the bucha fletchetes as just the image.

    How many fins does this bucha fletchettes have?. The bucha fletchetes only have 3 fins. How many fins does a beehive flechettes have 4 so it cannot be any of the beehive rounds.


    Yes zoom in notice how these are sitting they are all 4 fin flechettes.

    China made flechetes are 4 or 2 or 0 in fins. India made flechetes are 4 or 2 or 0 in fins. Nato countries made flechetes are 4 or 2 or 0 in fins. USA made flechetes 4, 2 or 0 in fins. Russia made 3 or 0 fin flechetes. Just the fin count alone limits down what country the round would have to be from.

    Also look at the point of the bucha fletchetes is round the USA/Nato flechettes you have 4 faces because of how the point was made yes this is related to the 4 fins.

    The reality here is the point, fins count and the length are all wrong to be a USA or Nato flechettes

    In fact your incorrect arguments mSparks says to me that the Russian forces were ordered to fire on the civilians and own forces with rounds that would look close to the Nato round as part of a false flag operation. Yes russian incompetence was not smart enough to know that the flechettes only having 3 fins would be a instant give away.

    Remember up until this point I have been willing to believe its been some form of error on the Russia side not intentional action.

    Also remember flechettes impact line has the point of the flechette point away from where the shell was fired from so you 180 that and its now pointing back to where the shell came from. So yes even if the Russians had nato rounds to fire this would still have evidence pointing straight back at their firing location.

    Fletchettes gives tons of different evidence.

    mSparks yes that diagram you pulled up also shows the USA flechette with 4 fins you did not look at the bucha photo carefully did you. You never compared the Bucha photo to the beehive rounds did you. The reality they don't match. Worse they don't match any USA, Nato, India or China made round.

    mSparks now go look at that photo carefully and this time if you are going to try to say it came from some other round it better be a round that has records somewhere of being filled with a 3 fin flechette.

    Yes the USA beehive rounds need packing the way they do because they are 4 fin flechettes these do not work with lose fill packing. 0, 2 and 3 fin flechettes can be lose packed into rounds. Lose fill packing also has non constant spread and shell not being stable weight so making shell have lower accuracy. Yes the picture howing the flechettes packed into compartments is because they are 4 fin flechettes.

    Also note something else about the diagram you pulled up msparks it shows that the tails of the flechettes in the beehive rounds are designed to break off at impact to increase injury. Yet the bucha ones are being pulled out of bodies and x rayed inside bodies as being in one piece every single time. Yes cases when bodies have been inspected after being hit with beehive rounds flechettes for sure about 85% have the tails split off as designed..

    Yes point is wrong, Length is wrong, fin count is wrong, the conditions the flechettes were recovered from human body is wrong. Basically everything that could possible be wrong is for the round you are attempting to claim it is mSparks .

    Yes beehive rounds flechettes deform as they go though human flesh so making injuries even worse and this is by design. Basically a beehive round pulled out a human is not going to be straight. Nato beehive rounds were made to the same standards.
    Last edited by oiaohm; 15 December 2024, 10:02 PM.

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    • mSparks
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 2110

      Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
      beehive flechettes have 4 so it cannot be any of the beehive rounds.
      .
      I know we established your math is bad, but now you demonstrate you can't even count to 4?

      damn.

      I'm out, everything is crystal clear here and that's hitting too many branches of the stupid forest even for me.
      Last edited by mSparks; 15 December 2024, 10:25 PM.

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      • oiaohm
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2017
        • 8490

        Originally posted by mSparks View Post
        I know we established your math is bad, but now you demonstrate you can't even count to 4?


        Look at this photo. that not a 4 fin. Of course you want to accuse me of not being able to count. Because once you admit that the item is a 3 fin you counter argument up to this point has been completely wrong. Any one who has handled 3 fin and 4 fin throwing darts can clearly see the difference. They sit differently on a flat surface.

        By the calibration lines you can tell it a straight from above photo. A 4 fin item taken straight from above on a flat surface you should only be able to count 2 fins not 3. So this is not counting to 4.

        Its not me who cannot count here mSparks. Get some 4 fin throwing darts put then in a flat surface and take a photo straight from above then get some 3 fin throwing darts and take a photo straight from above. Guess what one best matches the above photo. That right the 3 fin dart.

        To be correct that photo is slightly off angle but is not off angle enough that with a 4 fin dart/flechette. that you should be able to count 3 fin edges the only way you can count 3 fin edges is if it a 3 fin item.
        Last edited by oiaohm; 15 December 2024, 10:35 PM.

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        • mSparks
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          • Oct 2007
          • 2110

          Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
          Look at this photo. that not a 4 fin. Of course you want to accuse me of not being able to count.
          I'm not accusing you of anything, you not.being able to tell the difference between a triangle and a square is just not a conversation I can help you with.

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          • oiaohm
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 8490

            Originally posted by mSparks View Post
            I'm not accusing you of anything, you not.being able to tell the difference between a triangle and a square is just not a conversation I can help you with.
            So how many fins does

            The item in this photo have.

            This is identify item fins not triangle or square. You are look at a ~120 degree angle between fins with a 3 fin. A 4 fin as 90 degrees between fins. These look different when on a surface. Yes setup two tape measure and attempt to take the same photo with a 4 fin dart of any type and you will notice once you are off angle far enough to count 3 with a 4 fin the scales are out so the photo will not match.

            The reality is like it or not that above photo is a 3 fin item.

            Heck mSparks like claiming to be maths smart you should be able to do the maths to calculate exactly where the camera was to that photo no problems right so calculating angle of surface to camera from the scales.

            mSparks you also need to take a closer look at that photo. The material of the fléchettes is not steel or iron it a copper alloy. This is another item of high abnormal and even more damming rarely used to the point that only one factory is even documented making them and it is in Russia today. All Nato country made Fiechettes have been iron or steel, All USA made Fiechettes have been iron or steel. Most Russia fléchettes have been iron or steel but not all there is a very limited time window when copper alloy fiechettes was made in Russia..

            Remember what I said that this round used in bucha is insanely old and insanely unsafe to be used. To be containing copper alloy . fléchettes the round was made in Russia in world war 1 or just after(inside 15 years). These are very old 122mm 3Sh1 rounds these would be prototype rounds to the modern 3sh1 design. So yes you cut open a modern 3sh1 and they don't exactly match because the that not what was used. You are looking at world war ! archives to match the bucha fléchettes.

            Yes the write up saying using World war 1 darts were not kidding. And those old rounds were not designed for the gun they were being fired out of so increasing risk even more on top of being too old to use safely.

            There is a possibility that these have come out of North Korea stockpiles with the old world war 1 garbage USSR sold to North Korea that was already past their valid service life when sold to North Korea back then so even more past end of safe use now or out of some long forgotten section of Russia weapon stockpiles..
            Last edited by oiaohm; 16 December 2024, 12:33 AM.

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            • mSparks
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 2110

              Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

              So how many fins does

              The item in this photo have.
              Like I said, you not being able to tell the difference between a triangle and a square is not a conversation I can really help you with.

              Have a go at something like

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              It might help you solve such difficult questions on your own.

              Meanwhile, since they are identical to the rounds NATO has been using for its genocide in Gaza for the last 20 plus years, I'm going to stick with them being the same rounds, fired by similar people for similar reasons, noting the Russians are nowhere near that shit.
              Last edited by mSparks; 16 December 2024, 07:42 PM.

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