Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted

[oiaohm]

Interesting, so how do you ratify that statement with western reporting like

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LmJsVwAClcU

That a weapon system from 1959. The shells used in Bucha by the Flechettes are World War 1 design item as designed before 1918 and ceased production before 1950. Yes that weapon system looks modern compared to shells was used in Bucha. Those shells are unstable because of the type of explosive used and age. Fun part is the blanks that are 1 letter different on the box to the shell used in bucha(the ones that you fire and they just go bang and nothing comes to ground) were made from 1920 to 1980 so somewhat safe to fire without breaking barrels. . This is a 122mm shell used in Bucha that was orginally designed to fired from

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/122_mm_howitzer_M1910

that was most likely being fired from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/122_mm...zer_2A18_(D-30)
With a few those blowing up due to shell going too fast down barrel.

Yes the rockets for that 1959 and newer the explosives used in that are way more stable than explosive used in shells made for the M1910.

Remember I said clean up their stockpiles of unstable stuff not obsolete stuff this there is a big difference. The audit tallies for the nuke weapons had Ukraine with a lot of obsolete stuff and a lot of destruction of unstable stuff.

Flechettes give you the exact round type and where they were made and lots of cases a time frame when they were made and what weapon system they were designed for and what weapon system could possible fire them and what issues that would cause firing from the different weapon systems. Yes there were quite a few D-30 guns on the Russian side who barrels blew out around the time frame of Bucha and that exactly what you would expect using this very old round that not designed to be fired at the speed the D-30 does was fired by a D-30.

There was a reason why all 122mm shells had to be audited in Ukraine. There was a theory weapon in Ukrainian weapon design paper that was presumed not to have been made that was 122mm shell dirty bomb leading to the complete stockpile of Ukraine 122mm shells for D-30 and older being checked and counted. So at 1994 Ukraine had zero of the shells used in Bucha with Russian personal signing off on the audit and Russia has not documented selling Ukraine any since.

Yes if the Ukrainians did it you need to be able to explain how they got there hands on enough shells to do that and why they did not have blowing out barrels. Russian solders document the blowing out barrels.

mSparks; the photo of the Flechette gives all the information to id the round the the audit of Ukraine weapon stockpile in 1993-1994 looking for something else being a dirty bomb 122mm shell tells you they had none of the Flechette 122 shells at that point in time. Yes Ukraine themselves were wanting to find the dirty bomb 122mm shells in 1993-1994 because those could make their own soldiers sick moving them around storage if they had any so they were not going to fake the audit and count in 1993-1994.

[mSparks]

Yes if the Ukrainians did it you need to be able to explain how they got there hands on enough shells to do that

Why? when there is video evidence of the Ukrainians firing them on civilian areas in Kyiv and no evidence of the Russians doing anything they were accused of?

Not to mention damning video proof the Ukrainians story changed after that video evidence went viral.

What you need to do is take your strawman and stick it where the sun dont shine.

And anyway, it doesn't matter how they got their hands on them, only that they go boom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdqdMh8NCXA

What you also need to do is provide some rationale for moving out of a Russian orbit and towards yours that pardons convicted criminals because they are family, murders people because of the language they speak, bans religion, and does the most evil things to kids at the highest levels of governance.

I don't need to do anything other than sit back and watch it burn with a mulled wine in one hand and a fat cigar in the other.

[oiaohm]

Why? when there is video evidence of the Ukrainians firing them on civilian areas in Kyiv and no evidence of the Russians doing anything they were accused of?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/dozens-bucha-civilians-killed-flechettes-metal-darts-russian-artillery

Video evidence claim does not hold up. You need to explain how ukraine go the rounds they did not have before the war.

Flechettes from a very old shell that Ukraine had no stockpiles of had to come from somewhere. Remember this is a Russia made round. A round that in USSR times was made near Moscow.

Where is the bodies mSparks with the Ukrainian only rounds in them.

War firing on civilian areas are legal as long as no civilians are there. Bucha did contain civilians and the bodies contain flechettes that had to come from a Russian weapon stockpile. Also while Russian controlled the area of Bucha why did they not report the killed civilians.

Video of firing on civilian area is not a war crime. Finding bodies of civilians that have been killed is a war crime and you are meant to perform forensics on what they were killed by to back track to who did it. Some cases it hard because both sides have the same rounds other cases like Bucha it simple because the round used it only used by one side. Ukraine soldiers are not idiots who fire unstable expired rounds. Russia soldiers are on video cleaning up rounds and using them well past their expire date and complaining about only 1 in 3 working. Yes using expired rounds is a game of Russian roulette where you can end up dead because you used the expired round.

Yes there were other Russian rounds Ukraine had that are stable to fire to attempt to frame Russia for a crime.

And anyway, it doesn't matter how they got their hands on them, only that they go boom:

It does because if they did not have them they cannot fire them that simple. Next point unstable rounds a percentage will explode in barrel and number of rounds fired in Bucha there had to be shell exploding in barrel destruction. The Russian soldiers at the time complained about failing field guns due to exploding barrels exactly in line with using these unstable/expired rounds.

mSparks we are not changing topics now. The evidence like it or not point to Russian solders did the killing in Bucha by artillery.

Also the way the flechettes impacted gives a firing direction in Bucha. That firing direction is not from where the Ukrainian soldiers were in fact point to where the Russia field guns were even worse this is one of the locations when you geo locate the video of a Russia solider complaining about exploding barrels these two locations line up.

Bucha you have 4 key bits of solid evidence.
1. sat that the bodies where there before the Ukrainian soldiers moved forwards.
2. flechettes found in bodies that identify the round used. Only party at start of war who had stockpiles of them was Russia.
3. flechette impacts that identify the firing direction this points to the Russia artillery location not to the Ukraine artillery based on the date that can be confirmed by sat photo.
4, Impact of flechette into particular materials weather at predictable rates so they fired before Ukrainian soldiers took the Russia positions by the weathering. Yes date double confirmed of when.
All this comes out of the forensic report on Bucha with all the required photos to confirm it..

There is geo located video of exploded barrel reported by Russia solider from a site on the firing line that lines up with the round used. Yes he was complaining that he though he had got defective field gun. Not thinking defective round did it.

This is war there is a few ways this can happen.
1) Incorrect target identification. Russian soldiers incorrectly took the Ukrainian civilians as Ukrainian solders and fired on them. Remember a percentage of the Ukrainian population refused to evaluate when ordered because they believed Russian soldiers were just there to do liberation so they had no reason to move. Then have attempted to cover this mistake up.
2) Incorrect round selection. Russian soldiers though they were firing the round that just goes bang in the air and drops nothing to scare civilians to take cover so they would not be reporting their movement and instead they used the flechettes this would make sense for the video complaining about exploded barrel. Because the round that just goes bang in the air should have been 100 percent safe to fire. Then have attempted to cover this mistake up.
3) Intentional targeting of civilians.

I am currently leaning to 1 or 2. Mostly like 1. But the more you keep on claiming this did not happen more I have to suspect 3.

In war both sides are going to have their screw ups and incorrectly kill civilians that is just war. The important bit is put hand up and accept your mistakes so that your military processes can be improved to prevent it happening again and decreases bad blood between both sides. Yes the accusing game instead of follow the evidence results in increase bad blood between the parties so extending the length of the conflict.

Yes the flechette injuries the Ukraine soldiers had not seen much of either so at first incorrectly presumed the civilians had been killed by machine gun fire. Again this does not add up for the case the Ukraine side fired the round either. Yes all the solid evidence points at the Russia artillery in Bucha as the cause then all the questionable witnesses also point at Russia artillery and the Ukrainian first reports also line up with the mistakes you would expect if they did not do it.

[mSparks]

Video evidence claim does not hold up.

Maybe you missed it, I am talking about the video on the previous page clearly showing them using them from;

21.03.2022 (17:30)
Ukrainian nationalists continue to use residential areas of settlements and social facilities as a "human shield" to deploy their artillery systems and conduct massive fire on Russian servicemen. So, on Kiev outskirts, in Vinogradar district, Ukrainian nationalist units covered themselves with residential buildings for several days and fired multiple launch rocket systems at Russian servicemen. At the same time, the areas of the nearby shopping centre were used as a large base for storing rocket ammunition and reloading multiple launch rocket systems. The coordinates of the position of Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers were confirmed by Russian reconnaissence through several channels, as well as the location of warehouse with rocket ammunition was discovered. Live monitoring and recording system clearly shows how a Ukrainian multiple launch rocket system enters a shopping centre on the outskirts of Kiev to hide and reload missiles.

SRC: https://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/count...

reshared video from that source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-9ddZjcPUA

BBC coverage: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-eur...

[oiaohm]

Not Bucha and does not help you case.

We are sticking to one area of the conflict.

mSparks little hint as well that BBC video is not what a ammo dump looks like when it gets hit.

At the same time, the areas of the nearby shopping centre were used as a large base for storing rocket ammunition and reloading multiple launch rocket systems.

This is not true and shown in the videos you pulled as examples. You just presented a case of Russia miss targeting supporting my argument with Bucha that Russia incompetent.

The reality here you hit a stock pile of weapons the first blast spreads the weapons around then you have secondary explosions. Even the Russia video shows no secondary expositions.

So what likely to have happened it the Russia forces saw the Ukrainian soldiers dropping by the shopping center to pick up food/water and incorrectly presumed they were picking up weapons..

There are a lot of presentations by the Russian look at what they are presenting there is problems. Like claiming destroyed himars and the like but the target hit has no secondary explosions as well. You see prime explosion but you see no secondary you see this over and over again with Russian present videos.

mSparks start looking at those video of weapon dumps and real weapon systems going up notice the secondary explosions. When they are missing you don't have a video of ammo storage being hit.

Russia is very bad at processing their own videos. Yes show videos destroying their own stuff. Show videos that are 100 percent sure hitting decoys. Show videos that 100 percent are not what they claim it is.

Remember this is war targeting mistake will happen. Russia is being appearing to be incapable of taking what they presumed the target is and look at a video looking for the expected evidence that they hit a valid target. Yes that shop center by the video had no explosives inside because there is no secondary explosions so what the Russian claimed it was is false. Yes that claim says Russia forces cannot correctly id targets and cannot correctly confirm target successfully hit.

Of course not have the skills to know when you have fired at a target incorrectly means you don't say sorry so you now have the locals in that area having absolute bad blood against you because they know the target was not a weapon storage.

After action target confirmation is important to know if you claim success or be saying sorry for a targeting error. Yes Russia has proven to be unable to do after action target confirmation may times over.

[mSparks]

We are sticking to one area of the conflict.

aka spreading propaganda.

ever thought about not doing that?

[Weasel]

aka spreading propaganda.

ever thought about not doing that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

[oiaohm]

aka spreading propaganda.

ever thought about not doing that?

In the videos of the shopping center hit tell me what frame is the secondary explosions. You hit a weapon stockpile of missiles there is always secondary explosions.

I am not spreading propaganda you are mSparks. Its bad propaganda when the video used are missing the critical item to match the claim and you are being a fool falling for it.

Yes so you point to video evidence that the Russia are incomplete and are clueless on what kind of targets they have destroyed. This also means Russia are highly likely to fire on civilians by incorrect targeting..

[mSparks]

I am not spreading propaganda you are mSparks. Its bad propaganda when the video used are missing the critical item to match the claim and you are being a fool falling for it.

The video is of the Ukrainians firing an MLRS (that kills anything not wearing armour within a several km radius) in the general direction of Bucha, 15km from Bucha.

The second video is the major of Bucha telling the Ukrainian authorities the Russians have gone and they can please stop shelling his village.

The third video is a car driving through Bucha showing the result of Ukrainians shelling Bucha.

Then there is sat photos of dead civilians on the ground in bucha

The rest is propaganda.

What rationale can you possibly have for excluding all that from the "truth" of what happened in Bucha?

How can you deny they had the ammunition to do it when there is video of them doing it? Not just Bucha, but all the areas surrounding it.

You are spreading misleading and one sided propaganda, maybe don't?

[oiaohm]

The video is of the Ukrainians firing an MLRS (that kills anything not wearing armour within a several km radius) in the general direction of Bucha, 15km from Bucha.

Wrong weapon system.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/dozens-bucha-civilians-killed-flechettes-metal-darts-russian-artillery

These flechettes found in the bodies are not in MLRS rounds.

These small metal darts are contained in tank or field gun shells.

Again incompetent Russians providing video of the wrong weapon system to attempt to blame the Ukrainians for the event..

Basically the bodies in Bucha of Civilians don't show being hit by MLRS rounds totally different body damage and flechettes. The flechettes used in Russian MLRS rounds are longer and heavier so giving better target penetration.

As I said weapon systems that could have been used has been identified by what was found in the bodies. This is also another problem. You are right Ukrainians at the time only has MLRS systems in the area not tanks or field guns with the right barrel size. The only one with field guns in range of Bucha with the right barrel size at the time was the Russians.

The forensics like it or not have the Russian shelling the Bucha with field guns with flechette rounds.

Every evidence of Bucha just leads you back to the Russia because they have means and opportunity. Ukrainian forces near Bucha might have had the opportunity but they did not have the means.
Be it a round ukraine did not have in their stock pile by the flechette
Be it that the no field guns/tanks required to fire those rounds was at the Bucha location with the Ukrainian army at the time of the event the only party in the area with the right weapon system was the Russia forces..
Be it that the flechette impacts give a fire line for where the round came from pointing straight back at the Russia artillery positions.
Be it that the Russia at the Russia artillery positions near Bucha complained about failing barrels that you would expect from the old rounds.

mSparks again the Russian statements don't add up to the evidence found in Bucha. A MLRS is not a 122mm tank or 122mm field gun.

Like it or not mSparks its propaganda that the Russians did not do the Bucha mess. We have the means and the opportunity explains all we are missing at this point what was Russia motive to-do this attack on civilians.

mSparks; yes those flechette found put the idea that Ukrainian forces shelled Bucha as most likely another bit of Russia propaganda.

Yes if the civilian bodies were damaged unguided MLRS we could not be sure who did it due to how unpredictable the paths of those things are. Problem for the Russian here is 122mm artillery shell do have predicable path and flechette from 122 rounds impact in on the angle pointing back where shell was fired from. . Yes a perfectly traceable round was used in Bucha. Yes when those flechette impact walls and so on they give a forever line pointing back to where they were fired from with only a 5 degree margin of error. There is no Ukrainian forces in the area the flechettes angle show the round came from only Russians at the time of the event.

mSparks ever heard of counter battery fire. That very possible with artillery around because they are so predictable and this also applies after battle forensics.