Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted

[mSparks]

Try again mSparks. interest rate aligns to inflation. You can have faster economy growth with lower interest rate.

can file that one under "tell me you are financially illiterate without telling me you are financially illiterate"

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/realinterestrate.asp

which I'm afraid rules you out of any further economics conversation with me.

Except they did not do what you said. Putin has never made what you raised as a reason to invade Ulkraine.

That's the biggest lie of them all, Russian troops were officially invited in by the newly legally recognised governments of LPR and DPR, you've been linked that meeting several times already

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dWYl25OhkJc

Then Zelenski, under orders from the King of England via his appointed deputy Boris Johnson declared war on Russia. The terms they could have agreed to are here

Even today Russia has not declared war back, if/when they do you will really know about it, because that declaration will authorise them to use tactical nuclear weapons. Few mouse clicks, no more inhabitable cities in Ukraine west of Dnipro, and it will all be over in less than a day.

40% of russians support that option btw, so its pretty close.

[oiaohm]

can file that one under "tell me you are financially illiterate without telling me you are financially illiterate"

Real interest rate = nominal interest rate - rate of inflation (expected or actual).

The nominal interest rate goes up and down due to inflation control.

What is Russia current inflation rate on the population you do not have. Effect of country being under sanction is abnormal goods pricing.

Real interest rate is linked to inflation. nominal interest rate is linked to inflation.

In fact lower Real interest rate also does not take into account currency devaluation.

Yes you can have nominal interest rate of 20 with Inflation of 10 that give a Real Interest rate on a 10 year bond of 10% is this bond worth buying?

At this point you need one other number. What is the currency the bond is written in and what is that currency going todo in value.

Yes bond pays nominal 20 percent in 10 years but the currency devalue 30% due to trade restriction you have lost 10% on your investment.

mSparks you are using maths that don't work on sanctioned countries. You need to read the books on countries that have been sanctioned and the effects studied to know what maths work.

Yes Real Interest Rate is one of those numbers that going to badly off because the effects of sanctions restrict trade. The inflation number by the government can look lower as the public substitutes what they normally by with alternative products.

To detect that the government inflation number wrong you look at products they always by like potato/rice/... items a country has bought at different times level out for current market prices and see if the inflation on those products is equal or less than the government inflation

You go to my frame of 1 billion dollar notes on the wall pick any one at random subtract 10 years from the mint date of the note do that Real Interest rate calculation on the countries bond of that note at that 10 years earlier and they look like good investments. All of them 1 year latter than the note had at least 6 zeros was removed from the currency. Yes you had 999.999 in the currency and over night that was worth absolutely 0. So by the time the bond paid out the currency had been revalued resulting in all parties who had invested in it basically losing their shirt.

My collection of 1 billion notes is to remind me to not make the mistake you are making mSparks.

That's the biggest lie of them all, Russian troops were officially invited in by the newly legally recognised governments of LPR and DPR, you've been linked that meeting several times already

LPR and DPR government could not authorize attempt attack on Kyiv. Also this is not doing the UN security council requirement as Russia agreed to when it came a member of informing the other members before entry into anywhere..

Even today Russia has not declared war back, if/when they do you will really know about it, because that declaration will authorise them to use tactical nuclear weapons.

You don't have to declare war to declare at the UN security council that you are going to cross another countries boarder by force. The declaration gives the country that land is going to be infringed to suggest a solution or do a solution that avoid it.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html

You need to read this.

Russia tried to secure a veto on Ukraine’s security guarantees by inserting a clause requiring unanimous consent.

This is a major sticking point. This has nothing to-do with Boris Johnson.

All the leaked/released documents on the ceasefire deal have the sticking points marked why the deal could not be signed by either side.

Yes agree to disarm and agree not to have any security guarantees that not deal that can be signed. In fact the third parties at the deal state that the Ukrainians canceled on that sticking point without talking to Zelenski or anyone else because that sticking point made the total deal not workable.

mSparks when it comes to international deals with Ukraine by the constitution does the president have to sign them. The answer is a solid no. The people who have to sign have to keep the president informed of what they sign. By Ukrainian law there was no requirement to win over Zelenski. All the people required to sign the cease fire from the Ukraine side was in that peace treaty room.

President of Ukraine does not have absolute power. The are Ukrainian parties who there signature can stop the Ukraine President in his track and if they have signed a peace treaty and President of Ukraine does not go along he is to be arrested on the spot. Yes the Ukrainian President is not above Ukrainian law.

mSparks all that talk about Zelenski. or Boris Johnson make no sense when you look at how Ukraine constitution is constructed. The highest power in the land of Ukraine is the courts this power is above that of the president when it comes to conflits. The appointed Ukrainian negotiators were operating under high court authority not presidential authority.

You have a room full of legal sent by the Ukrainian high court to deal with and you think you are going to add flaws to the deal and it will not be noticed? What was Russia thinking.

Either Russia wanted the deal to fall though or was absolute idiots and that is why we are still have this conflict.

mSprarks surprise right that the Ukrainian negotiators with Russia did not need Zelenski approval to sign a deal in fact if they signed a deal and Zelenski decided to fight it he would be arrested.

Yes to end the Ukrainian war you don't need to win over Zelenski. Russia need to put forwards a deal that when you put it in front of legal people looks above board and reasonable and that not the case with the deal Russia was pushing for.

[mSparks]

LPR and DPR government could not authorize attempt attack on Kyiv.

Once recognised by Russian law they have more right to determine the future of Ukraine than Kyiv does. Especially since they actually have elections.

And faaar more right to do so than

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTU_I7cc8w

Yes to end the Ukrainian war you don't need to win over Zelenski. Russia need to put forwards a deal that when you put it in front of legal people looks above board and reasonable and that not the case with the deal Russia was pushing for.

Lovely little fantasy world you have had constructed for you there, Now go learn some basic preschool math and finance and it will become obvious why it has no grounding in reality.

[oiaohm]

Lovely little fantasy world you have had constructed for you there, Now go learn some basic preschool math.

Dito mSparks. Because its not fantasy is Ukrainian law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti...urt_of_Ukraine
This is the top power of Ukraine. Yes

Ukraine's Constitution – Chapter XII

The attempted Peace treaty was between Russia and Ukraine Constitutional Court. The reality the President did not have power in the negotiation at that point. Major treaties have to pass the Constitutional Court before the Ukraine president is let near them. Russia offer failed the review.

Remember things Putin/Russia was asking for was going to need Constitutional alterations.

[oiaohm]

Once recognised by Russian law they have more right to determine the future of Ukraine than Kyiv does. Especially since they actually have elections.

Ukraine did have elections as well. International law does not say recognized by Russia means anything. Yes country invaded by international law is not required to run elections without a cease fire.

[mSparks]

International law

There is no such thing as "international law", agreements crossing borders declare what countries laws the agreement is to be judged in. That generally used to be the UK before they lost most of their legitimacy (no one respects their decisions anymore, not even the English), Mostly they seem to use Austria now.

This is the top power of Ukraine. Yes
Yes country invaded by international law is not required to run elections without a cease fire.

The government of a country in default has no actual say what happens to it, it is entirely the decision of its creditors, who are mostly Russia and China. In terms you even you can maybe understand all they did was send the debt collectors in.
They will likely be coming for the US very soon, The US govt are set to start taking cash directly out of American pension funds to (try and) pay their debts (aka extraordinary measures) in less than 4 weeks.

[oiaohm]

There is no such thing as "international law", agreements crossing borders declare what countries laws the agreement is to be judged in. That generally used to be the UK before they lost most of their legitimacy, Mostly they seem to use Austria now.

UN charter that Russia agreed to does state how this should be handled. UN charter replaced the UK. So the location you are looking for under the UN is the Hague/International criminal court.

The government of a country in default has no actual say what happens to it, it is entirely the decision of its creditors, who are mostly Russia and China. In terms you can maybe understand all they did was send the debt collectors in.
They will likely be coming for the US very soon.

Not in fact true. you don't understand sovereign default.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s...gn-default.asp

Sovereign Default of a country the country still has absolute say what happens by international laws. Now will they be able to get international funds that another matter. Yes the country is free to choose to suffer a very depression to dig their way out.

Also when you look at Ukraine debt before the war they owed none to Russia. Russia owed Ukraine money. So maybe Russia invade Ukraine to attempt to delete the debts it had defaulted on. There were on going payments for Ukraine giving up it nukes that Russia never fully paid out. Russia mostly keep up on their debts but they never paid the the agreed as the price of the nuke fully to when Ukraine agreed so this means Russia owed Ukraine money not the other way over.

So by your statement Ukraine is fully in their right to ask USA and other for assistance to go into Russia and cease the outstanding value they are owed for the Nukes they gave up.

[mSparks]

UN charter that Russia agreed to does state how this should be handled. UN charter replaced the UK.

UN has no legal authority anywhere, it has no courts, it is just an arena for countries to discuss their disagreements and air their grievances looking for other countries support (which Russia and China have, and the US and UK do not have)

Everything you have read suggesting otherwise was either pure propaganda or people parroting pure propaganda.

So by your statement Ukraine is fully in their right to ask USA

And rather than providing that support and settling the debts peacefully they told zelenski to declare war on Russia. Mostly because the US and UK can't even support themselves.

[oiaohm]

UN has no legal authority anywhere, it has no courts, it is just an arena for countries to discuss their disagreements and air their grievances looking for other countries support (which Russia and China have, and the US and UK do not have)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

I said the wrong one. But its the Hague The UN court is "International Court of Justice" in the Hague.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the only international court that adjudicates general disputes between nations, and gives advisory opinions on international legal issues. It is one of the six organs of the United Nations (UN),[1] and is located in The Hague, Netherlands.

Yes where you are meant to go before doing war with or invaiding another country.

The ICJ consists of a panel of 15 judges elected by the UN General Assembly and Security Council for nine-year terms. No more than one judge of each nationality may be represented on court at the same time, and judges collectively must reflect the principal civilizations and legal systems of the world. Seated in the Peace Palace in The Hague, Netherlands, the ICJ is the only principal UN organ not located in New York City.[2] Its official working languages are English and French.

Yes Russia takes part in selecting the Judges at the ICJ so they cannot claim really not to know about it..

mSparks the UN by the ICJ does have quite a bit of legal authority. ICJ is allowed to call for Peace keepers to be deployed.

[mSparks]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice

I said the wrong one. But its the Hague The UN court is "International Court of Justice" in the Hague.

The Hague only has jurisdiction in countries signed up to the rome statute for crimes of genocide. It has nothing to do with the UN or international financial disagreements or judging on how best to settle them.
We are 3 years in and according to the Ukrainians the Russians have killed less people than were shot in Chicago over the same period, so in reality they should care more about the chicago government than anything happening in Ukraine. Except they wont, because the US (and Russia) are not in it's jurisdiction.

You do know Joe Biden is wanted by them for war crimes in Bosnia in the 90s right? thats one of the reasons why he didn't travel much, and when he did it was kept very quiet.

Hence

genocide is ok by Linus as long as there isnt sanctions.