Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted

[oiaohm]

The point of propaganda is you take a little bit of truth (in this case mars chocolate bars got relatively more expensive) and turn that into an absolute lie,.

Please stop trying to lie your way out of this its not working.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1979518/russian-economy-crisis-potato-egg-price-rises

We are not talking about chocolate here. We are talking about potato and eggs two items that make up large percentage of Russian food consume.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-labour-shortage-spreads-defence-sector-poaches-staff-2024-11-28/

You might not like five eyes reporting but as you said there is at least a grain of truth in it.

As you said to be effective propaganda has to have a percentage of truth. To get that truth there has to be parties collecting it right mSparks what is Moscow times. that right a truth collection arm.

Five eyes reporting is not a single source. Some sources are truthful because they are used for baselines to go into propaganda and if they are not truthful propaganda would not be effective.

Start of Russia current problem.
1)You need staff to harvest crops.
2) As the staff wages increase so does the price you have to sell the crops at to make a profit.
3)Farmers have to take out loans so high interest rates work the other way on food prices because these loan payments have to be calculated into food price..
4) Lack of staff due to war equal lack of staff to harvest crops.
5) Lack staff to harvest crops equals lack of harvest
6) Lack of harvest equals having to import replacements.
7) Import replacements depends on your countries exchange rate how cost effective this will be.
8) all the currencies Russia get for their oil have the Ruble devaluing.

This is a progressive tree of interconnected things.

Yes Ruble falling against Yaun equals Pesticides Russian farmers use getting more expensive so they will try to use less and this normally results in lower crop yield.

https://www.agribusinessglobal.com/special-sections/russian-domestic-agrochemicals-ramp-up-as-major-players-leave-market/

Currently raw materials for pesticide production are almost entirely supplied from China, India, and Europe. Over the past five years, imports of active ingredients used in the production of pesticides to Russia have almost doubled to 71,800 tonnes, costing US $746.9 million. According to Salis Karakotov, General Director of Schelkovo Agrokim, one of Russia’s largest agrochemical producers, the war with Ukraine destroyed the raw materials sector and is practically absent in Russia today. Under the former Soviet Union, 23 plants produced more than 40 pesticides — about 300,000 tonnes of finished products, he says. That figure has declined significantly with the collapse of the USSR.

mSparks there are some horrible nightmare things wrong with Russia that make sanctions a very high risk. Yes the USSR use to make the active ingredients in their pesticides but today Russia import active ingredients and dilutes it Same is basically happening to Russia car factories and so on.

[mSparks]

As you said to be effective propaganda has to have a percentage of truth. To get that truth there has to be parties collecting it right mSparks what is Moscow times. that right a truth collection arm.

Five eyes reporting is not a single source.

Doesnt matter how many fvey propaganda sources or irrelevant data points you quote, it is not going to make something that is not true actually true. The Russian economy is nowhere near crisis,, sure it is not perfect, proving it is not perfect doesnt prove anything everybody doesnt already know.

The truth is Linus not accepting Russia maintainers to his Linux fork does nothing but demonstrate how little character he has now in his old age

The truth is you and him are siding with apartheid in south Africa and Ukraine

The truth is

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qn56yhVzuiI

They are the global economy now, the US and its political allies (aka the cult of epstein) are the 3rd world afterthoughts that think a million $s is a lot of money..

The truth is, your team has already lost, you just haven't come to terms with it yet, Eventually you will have to.

[oiaohm]

Doesnt matter how many fvey propaganda sources or irrelevant data points you quote, it is not going to make something that is not true actually true. The Russian economy is nowhere near crisis,, sure it is not perfect, proving it is not perfect doesnt prove anything everybody doesnt already know..

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/21/nabiullina-vs-stagflation-can-putins-top-technocrat-save-the-russian-economy-once-again-a87089

Sorry to say the head of the Russia central bank does not agree with you. Again this is translated Russia sources and they give the Russia sources.

The truth is Linus not accepting Russia maintainers to his Linux fork does nothing but demonstrate how little character he has now in his old age

No this demos having to obey legal requirements.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/github-suspends-accounts-of-russian-developers-linked-to-sanctioned-firms

Linus delay this as long as he could. github started removing Russian developers in 2022 due to legal requirements.

Its not like those Russian maintainers could put push requests straight to Linus github any more or the gitlab the Linux kernel users because of it being USA hosted.

The truth is you and him are siding with apartheid in south Africa and Ukraine.

There is one problem. apartheid. Rustication is South Africa apartheid. This is where you try to nuke the local people culture. USSR documents tell you that major of Ukraine land is not Russian they are Ukrainian and even the USSR they were Ukrainian.

In ukraine you are looking at the fall out after the collapse of a aparteid system. This is different to aparteid. If we sticking to the South Africa model we are talking

https://www.accord.org.za/ajcr-issues/farm-attacks-or-white-genocide-interrogating-the-unresolved-land-question-in-south-africa/

Yes the white genocide event. This is the backlash from doing apartheid/culture removal actions. How did west handle white genocide. It was refuge let the white people leave South Africa until the trouble blew mostly over. Was there a few deaths yes.

These death is the price of doing Rustication/stolen generation/aparteid ... there will be backlash and people will die. Putin has just multi levels of doubled down.

One of the realities here you try to nuke a populations culture and you fail you generate a backlash. Yes Russia invaliding Ukraine has reinforced the backlash that the Rustication program caused.

Russia allowing the people who want Russia culture to move to Russia would have been following the white genocide solution that has proven to some what work and not end up making the backlash part of the peoples long term culture. Yes Russia invading Ukraine has welded the backlash into Ukraine culture for at least 200 years now. What should have been a problem to go away in 50 to 70 years with both sides able to look back and take and possible laugh about it.

Yes the Russian clain what Ukrainian are doing is apartheid failing to see that this is just the backlash to apartheid actions that the USSR performed in Ukraine and Russia attempted to keep going with political interference. Yes this problem could have been carefully defused if the Russia side had the brains not to keep on attempting to demand obeisance.

Lot of ways Russia was a over protective parent who now has a rebelling child on their hand and is trying to use force to fix it that will only result in the child hating them. Long term this does not make things better.

[mSparks]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/21/nabiullina-vs-stagflation-can-putins-top-technocrat-save-the-russian-economy-once-again-a87089

Sorry to say the head of the Russia central bank does not agree with you. Again this is translated Russia sources and they give the Russia sources.

The only part of that that says Russia needs saving is the title if the article. the rest is one person that has had some criticism but otherwise has wide support for the fantastically strong economy.

Maybe actually read it before agreeing it proves something it doesnt?

Yes Russia invaliding Ukraine

The Americans and British are invading Ukraine, and losing, badly. Russia was already there,

Everything they tell you is a lie. aka the opposite of the truth.

The main reason the British and American Economies are in the game over phase is such a large portion of the British and American populations are stupid enough to believe those lies.

This is also why the majority of the world economy now calls them the "empire of lies"

https://x.com/BRICSinfo/status/1824246599905677339

Hilariously this is all part of long term a plan developed by Stalin iirc to destroy America and the British, and decades after his death the Americans and the British got sucked in hook line and sinker.

[oiaohm]

The only part of that that says Russia needs saving is the title if the article. the rest is one person that has had some criticism but otherwise has wide support for the fantastically strong economy.

Maybe actually read it before agreeing it proves something it doesnt?

It not saying a strong economy go read it again.

The Americans and British are invading Ukraine, and losing, badly. Russia was already there,"

Except that not in fact true. Ukrainians were already there. This is the problem. USSR even admits to the Ukrainians.

Russia drove the Ukrainians into the Americans and British hands. Russia failed to deal with the Ukrainian backlash that was going to come from the Russification.

Yes USSR census data has Ukraine/Ukrainian USSR filled with 90%+ Ukrainian. This 90% Ukrainian was being dictated to by Russification policies same as the natives in South Africa were by aparteid.

Yes the Revolution of Dignity in Ukraine was always going to happen at some point due to what had been done by Rustication. Yes blaming the west means Russia does not have to look at themselves and go opps in the time of the USSR we did the wrong things with Russification here that caused this problem because we attacked their culture and living standards.

Same with the over throw of apartheid was always going to happen the question with all these bad actions is not if but when.

Yes you still see the Russia backers saying that Ukraine is Russian when even the USSR census data says it absolutely not Russian. There is a group of non Russian people in Ukraine who were abused in the same way the native south Africa were by the South Africa except this was the USSR.

Yes at the break down of apartied it was also tried to claim that everyone was South Africa so they should all make nice now and this did not happen.

mSparks there is no way to make a lasting peace with what was done to Ukrainian native people while Russia side keeps on attempting they don't exist and they don't have to say sorry. Yes the Russian will have to accept they will want to restore their culture in the same way it happened in South Africa as well this includes Russian language being pushed out of schools for a while. Yes this happened in South Africa with many schools not teaching English for a while..

Yes the idea that the Ukrainian made a mistake fighting Russia is wrong. Russia is making the mistake over and over again not waking up that the West will not be able to stop the Ukrainians from fighting as long as they have a reason to fight. Big reason the Ukrainians will fight without having to be paid huge amount of money is the USSR Russification actions. Russia has not been able to stop Ukrainian rebel forces in the Ukrainian land they have now.

Like it not the Ukrainian natives don't want to be ruled by Russian because they had Russian values forced on them. Yes is the cause of the problem Russification.

The hardest thing for Russian to get is the USSR is not Russia.

[mSparks]

It not saying a strong economy go read it again.

It literally says

the Russian economy is overheating

right in the article

Except that not in fact true. Ukrainians were already there. This is the problem. USSR even admits to the Ukrainians.

The Russians and Ukrainians were there. NATO are the invaders, aka the English monarchy/cult of epstein.

[creative]

It's sad people can't avoid politics when it comes to this stuff. My take on all of this, don't talk about politics. Are they all interested more in politics or making software better?

This isn't an ultimatum. It's pure logic, focus on politics or undivided attention towards quality of software. One cannot serve two masters.

If I were a business owner and people in my business where creating a bottleneck by focusing on things outside of work, there would be a meeting made. Discussion would go as follows; Are you here to focus on things outside of work or actually keep this company running? Raises go to those who are most focused on their work. If your political affiliations get in the way of business I'll be forced to let you go as an employee.
What's more important? Your job or your beliefs? I have to run a business, any interest outside of this business brought in that are not conducive to the health of the business will be considered and reviewed. Your paygrade is directly tied to your focus on company success not
political factors outside of it.

[oiaohm]

It literally says

in the article

What is the effects on sanctions on an economy on a country that attempts to fight those sanctions. The answer is overheating..

Venezuela had over heating before the sanctions caught up with it. Overheating is not something a true strong economy does.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/overheated_economy.asp

Overheat happens before economy collapse.

Overheat is a sign of a very sick economy. Yes its overheat then recession..

Little problem mSparks if you are trying to destroy a countries economy with sanctions what are you trying todo. The answer is cause a overheat.

Sanctions do this in a few ways.
1) is sanctions cause increase employment by making work be performed with less efficiency so consume more labour..
Yes part of the objective of sanctions is increase employment.

Lets take simple example that I can use real Russia with. Coke-Cola use to be made in Russia right its not now due to sanctions. True brand Coke-Cola in Russia now is from the UK and was imported by the UAE and exported to Russia. This is a lot more expensive than when it was made in Russia right. More people are used in the transport of that Coka-Cola to get it to Russian shops now that more labor, The bottle of Coke-Cola has shorter shelf-life so it has to be restocked more often if you are selling the same value of it.

Now your argument is going to be replace it with the russia fake Coka-Cola made what was the Coka-Cola factory. One problem the machines of that factory are not Russia or China made. So it will break down more often and now you have complex processes to getting spare parts that going to take more labor.

This is the problem the way sanctions are designed to work at first it makes sure your economy is working great. Until sanctions are successful in causing the overheat.

The Russians and Ukrainians were there. NATO are the invaders, aka the English monarchy/cult of epstein.

No that skips over that Russia in history invaded the Ukrainians land. Also skips over the Russian have altered their history to make out they all came from Ukrainians. The reality Ukrainians historically ruled over Russians.

https://ukrainesolidaritycampaign.or...der-the-tsars/ Yes Ukrainians only come under Russian rule in the 1700 century.

The Slavic monarchy base in Kyiv

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Prince_of_Kiev

These are not Russians these are Ukrainians with their historic records written in the Ukrainian language. Russia invaded Ukraine in the 14 century and they have invalided it again. Russian are people that Ukrainian monarchy subjugated and got taught a simpler version of Ukrainian that you call today Russian.

The reality a Russian has zero historic claim to Ukrainian land because it was never their land. When Russian are on Ukrainian land they are truly outside party.

Who came up with the concept of Russification.in the first place. The answer is the Slavic/Ukrainian Monarchy in Kyiv to make their subjugated people simpler to control. They never considered for one moment that centuries latter that the Russian/USSR would push their own cultural destruction program on themselves.

Yes Russians you don't have own culture you have what a Ukrainian Monarch dream up a culture to make is subjected people simpler to control. Yes this explains the high alcohol consume being part of the culture.

mSparks if you want equal to Russia attempting to claim Ukraine as their own it would like Native Americans or Native Australians attempt to claim England because they got taught English culture. Yes you look at the historic documents it makes no sense for Russia to claim Ukraine as their own.

Nato is not the only Invader here. Historically Ukrainian invaded in subjugated the Russians. Then the moguls invaded in subjugated the Ukrainians so the Russian got their freedom because of the moguls. Then the Russian invaded the Ukrainians and attempted to subjugate them and was not effective at deleting the Ukrainian culture as the Ukrainians were are deleting the preRussian culture from the Russians. Yes if you know where to look in Russia you can find pre Russian culture that he replacement culture the Russian were taught cannot explain..

mSparks just because someone is in an area for a few hundred years does not mean they are not a invader.

Yes the historic documents say Russians should bend knee before all Ukrainians because they are the Ukrainians slave workforce. I would not say we should push this on Russian as this would be morally wrong.

There are a lot of wrongs that have happened in the Slavic section of the world. Of course sorting out this mess does not help that Russians are taught from very censored textbooks.

[mSparks]

What is the effects on sanctions on an economy on a country that attempts to fight those sanctions. The answer is overheating..

The fact is it is really easy to tell how strong an economy is and how fast it is growing.

Its interest rate.

Throw as much other bullshit at it as you want, nothing will stick because at the end of the day the national interest rate is the economic return/growth/strength of a country.

The reality a Russian has zero historic claim to Ukrainian land

And they still are not making any claim, they are just protecting the Ukrainians from this

https://eadaily.com/en/news/2024/07/14/western-corporations-have-already-bought-up-half-of-ukrainian-agricultural-land-at-a-bargain-price

corruption.

Any particular reason you can think of for themoscowtimes leaving that bit out? other than the obvious that they are part of the same scum of the earth theiving cartel who murder people for profit.

[oiaohm]

The fact is it is really easy to tell how strong an economy is and how fast it is growing.

Its interest rate.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/12/inflation-interest-rate-relationship.asp

Try again mSparks. interest rate aligns to inflation. You can have faster economy growth with lower interest rate.

https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/allaboutfinance/exploring-link-between-rising-inflation-and-economic-growth-role-banking-sector

Inflation does not link directly to economic growth.

So the really you cannot forecast economic growth from Interest rate. You can forecast that it will come non viable to run business when interest rate gets too high.

Anyone who has basic training in economics understands high inflation and high interest rate long term is a bad thing.

A country with a low interest rate may be having massive economic growth or no economic growth or reducing economic growth.

A country with high interest rate may be having no economic growth, reducing economic growth, A up coming economic collapse and the insane outside is any economic growth. Yes the insane outside here normally economic growth followed by economic depression result in massive economic reduction.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_central_bank_interest_ rates
Russia has a problem you don't find in the top 20 countries with high interest rates with countries with economies doing well long term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkis...2%80%93current)

This is the country with the highest interest rate at the moment. Very much tells you were the ruble is going to end up if Russia keeps on this increasing interest rate solution. Yes massively devalued.

Any particular reason you can think of for themoscowtimes leaving that bit out? other than the obvious that they are part of the same scum of the earth theiving cartel who murder people for profit.

Except they did not do what you said. Putin has never made what you raised as a reason to invade Ulkraine. The Moscow times did cover other parties in Russia who did raise that as a possibility. Like or the Moscow times is mostly a translator of russian news sources. The point you have raised has rarely been raised by Russian news sources so it rarely appeared in Moscow times as you would expect. Yes the point you were referring to was raised exactly once in the Russian news outlets and Moscow times cover that.

Remember the Moscow Times job is to mirror the Russian news outlets. So if something not appearing on Moscow Times before claiming corruption.double check if the Russia news sources are covering that point.

Yes mSparks your logic with Interest rate is everyone should be putting their money in Turkey with it currency in a devaluing death spiral because Turkey economy has to be growing like mad.. Yes the speed of Turkey GDP growth has not changed in decades and it totally not linked to interest rate.