Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted

[oiaohm]

Yet this entire thread is full of, bordering on entirely the product of

Not least by you.

Is it really. Designing education programs is something I am trained in. So that text is referring to Educational Indoctrination.

You need to look in the mirror because you have written a huge stack of stuff about so call China education that not in fact based on fact.

Hope you are including yourself in writing a stack of stuff out of education indoctrination. Like people from china are indoctrinated that everyone does Geokao when 1/4 of the population don't ever take the exam. They are also indoctrinated that Geokao contains advanced things when in reality it does not. Also out side people looking in without the knowledge incorrectly link stuff up to PhD level because it in PhD papers when a person doing papers will be using items from year 1 bachelor/last year highschool in west or somewhere in 3 years of Geo in China.

You decided to take this debate into a field I am in fact qualified in and have a lot of knowledge in. Please note I am pre sexual preference items being taught in schools in fact the country I am in you bring gender politics into mathematics and science you will be fired.

Mind you in a biology class here saying everyone is man/women is also a fire offense because that not in fact true. You have man/male, woman/female then you have 3 major classes Human chimera man/man woman/woman and man/woman and genetic intersex. Do note I said classes with chimera there are sub groups inside that.

Yes DNA has X chromosome that has female traits, chromosome has male traits and O is the chromosome missing. Yes lot of people who claim to be intersex if you do a DNA test they are not. Because a intersex person should be OO as in no X/Y chromosome at all. Human biology is enough of a mess without bring sexual preference into it.

LGB...... I use this for some simple reason they keep on adding letters to this. Even you were using out of date version of this term and it does not in fact cover human chimera. China biological education normally avoids talking about chimera there are problems in all the systems.

[mSparks]

Is it really. Designing education programs is something I am trained in.

and yet the fact "argument from authority" is a logical fallacy and very much not science seems to go right over your head. Sounds like you are part of the problem.

You need to look in the mirror because you have written a huge stack of stuff about so call China education that not in fact based on fact.

The only stance I have taken on this topic is that killing people is absolutely wrong, and violence is the last resort of the incompetent.

Since you seem to disagree with that so profusely, I'd say it is definitely you that needs some self reflection, no amount of "research" you pull out of your arse is going to change that stance or discourage me from fighting its corner.

They are also indoctrinated that Geokao contains advanced things when in reality it does not.

And if that is true it justifies Americans handing out heavy weapons like candy on Halloween to people who hate people for being born Russian and starting WWIII does it?

seriously fuck off with that shit.

[oiaohm]

The only stance I have taken on this topic is that killing people is absolutely wrong, and violence is the last resort of the incompetent.

Then you should have issue with Putin.

And if that is true it justifies Americans handing out heavy weapons like candy on Halloween to people who hate people for being born Russian and starting WWIII does it?

Ukraine case 1992 Lisbon Protocol to 2009 Joint Declaration by Russia and the United States.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/ukraine-nuclear-weapons-and-security-assurances-glance

Yes 2009 Russia authorized USA to proved Ukraine is as much conventional weapons as they liked if Ukraine territory at the time was breached. Yes Russia justifies Americans handing out weapons like candy on Halloween in this case. This was part of the agreement to get Ukraine to give up their nuke weapons. In fact pays to go read that 2009 treaty because USA is authorized by it to transfer a nuke weapon to Ukraine if they are invaded. You should be thankful the USA is not really handing their weapons out like Candy on Halloween because if they were Moscow most likely would not be on the map any more. That 2009 treaty was signed by "Dmitry Medvedev" kind of makes sense is a Russian drunk who would have most likely sign anything without reading it well.

Before starting war with Ukraine would have been smart to redefine the 2009 treaty.

With the treaty in place only UN approved peace keepers should have been used on the Russia side if Putin don't want this to happen. Also majority of the Ukraine population was never born Russian. Ukrainian was it own state inside the USSR because it is own people with own language and culture that not Russian even the USSR documents say this.

[mSparks]

Then you should have issue with Putin.

I do, very much so, but also I have watched

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dWYl25OhkJc

so I dont blame Putin, or think there is anything he can do differently given the circumstances. If anything he has been far more restrained, cool headed and rational than i would have been in the same circumstances.

I absolutely do not blame Russians, which is the topic of this thread, that we should blame russians for americans sponsoring the murder of russians for speaking russian, rejecting homsexuality and not murdering babies.

seriously fuck off with that shit. Anyone taking the Biden crime family's and cult of epsteins side in this conflict is on the wrong side of history.

meanwhile, Elon Musk might buy MSNBC now comcast is dumping it.... Watching the cult of epstein melt down over that is far more entertaining.

[oiaohm]

I do, very much so, but also I have watched.

That video is Putin trying to cover up mistake you have linked to.

so I dont blame Putin, or think there is anything he can do differently given the circumstances. If anything he has been far more restrained, cool headed and rational than i would have been in the same circumstances.

Then you are just as big of idiots. Lets say the issue Putin was talking about was true. What was the correct UN process that Putin should have followed.

Remember before going into Iraq and Afghanistan the USA announced this at the security council first before they crossed the boarders this important step.

The only stance I have taken on this topic is that killing people is absolutely wrong, and violence is the last resort of the incompetent.

These are your own words. About time you stick to them. Putin is incompetent he crossed the Ukrainian boarder without doing the formal notification so not giving Kyiv chance to back down so did not take the path of least violence first just by this action and it gets worse when you look at the other options the UN provides.

Next only 2 permanent members of the security council have to vote in agreement to deploy a UN peace keeping force. Currently Russia cannot use their vote do this because they have currently invaded Ukraine. Before invading Russia could have with China voted to deploy a UN peace keeping force made of up Russian forces of course other countries would have most likely sent overseer forces as well. This would not have triggered the 2009 agreement that allows USA to provide Ukraine with lethal aid.

Yes again before a peace keeping force crosses the boarder the target country is informed that they are coming this is not a invasion. 2009 agreement only triggers if Ukraine is invaded.

Ukrainian forces training with USA weapons should have been expected after 2009 since they had agreement that if things go wrong they would be getting USA weapons so would want to practices with them. This is way it was so stupid that Russia took offense at this they agreed in 2009 for this to happen. Russia government has very short memories of the treaties they have signed and this makes it very hard to try to get current Ukraine government to talk peace treaty.

Remember Putin did not just keep the security council in the dark about what he was going todo he kept is own forces in the dark that resulted in the early days of the war many bits of equipment crossing over the boarder and simply running out of fuel because they were only fueled up for short travel exercise not an attempted invasion this is just another example of incompetence by Putin..

2009 treaty did not trigger in 2014 because Crimea by the wording of the 2009 treaty is disputable if it Ukrainian land or not. The land that Russia entered in 2022 without question is Ukrainian land so absolutely triggered the 2009 treaty.

mSparks; basically holding you to your own standard you are incompetent because you would have done the same as Putin instead of using the other tools in the table that would have avoided Ukraine being sent weapons and possible avoided majority all of these deaths on both sides.

Yes mSparks you need to stop just listening to what Putin says and look at what options Putin in fact had at every step. Along this process you see step after step of choosing the path that going to result in the most deaths not the least deaths. Putin is trying to kill Russians that all I can come up with by looking at his actions.

I absolutely do not blame Russians, which is the topic of this thread.

To me they are collateral damage of Russia having incompetent leadership. Crossing into another country without notice to the security council is a major mistake. Not using the tools of the UN that being a member of the security council is another mistake. Yes no attempted vote by Russia to deploy a UN peace keeping force to stop the violence .

Like it or not if your country leadership is incompetent and does what under UN rules is classed as invasion don't be surprised when you get hit by sanctions and excursions by many countries. I am sorry that just what the Russian developers have to live with.

By the way that 1/4 of Russian don't believe in science method does mean higher percentage of them make problematic code compared to China or USA developers. Yes making education as a argument point was very big mistake mSparks because that another valid reason to exclude Russians from development because they have higher risk of being poor quality developers than quite a few other countries. So yes you started point that could see Russian excluded even after the sanctions are lifted well done mSparks.

mSparks I think you better accept the incompetent title here.

[mSparks]

That video is Putin trying to cover up mistake you have linked to.

That meeting and the decisions that followed from it in the days after will be remembered as the pivotal moment the American Empire officially ended. The moment Americas closest allies abandoned it and left it to cut $2 trillion a year in government spending and more without their help.

The rest is just making a deal with the devil then being surprised they got burnt.

[oiaohm]

That meeting and the decisions that followed from it will be remembered as the pivotal moment the American Empire officially ended. The moment Americas closest allies abandoned it and left it to cut $2 trillion a year in government spending and more without their help.

Or the day Putin dug Russia countries grave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eozYFU27fzY

Putin stockpile of reserve funds is running out. Its not like the sanctions are going to lift if the war end now.

Or the event that restarted the EU arms manufacturing industry.

Of the event that starts India independent arms industry in fact getting major customers so India getting Russia political power in the UN due to arms sales.

The big dangerous question is what happens when the war ends and the factories supply Ukraine don't have Ukraine to supply any more.

The end of the American Empire if this is your objective this is very short sighted. The American Empire was advantage for Russia is that America is a long distance away so there are good odds like with Crimea as long as Russia plays their cards right that America would not interfere. Of course Russia plays cards wrong we end up with the Ukraine war problem because Russia incompetent. This logic changes massively if now the major arm providers in EU end up in Poland and Ukraine because those countries are not going to view Russia positively and will be way more likely to send lethal add than the USA was..

Now China might be viewing the fall of American Empire as a good thing. Just think one moment the result is going to be a more powerful India. Lot of countries will trust to buy weapons from india over China. Yes India will have the population advantage over China in time.

Also remember the north south korea war is not officially ended.

There are a lot of moving pieces here the result of no more American as major world force long term is not better outcomes for Russia or China. In fact most cases worse outcomes. To be correct American disappears as world force Russia is doomed.

China does have chance to to be successful but the way to have the most likely successful outcome is take the eastern path of Russia and use this to isolate and end north Korea weapon dreams and make the bridge of unity in fact be connected between China and North Korea.. Yes totally forgot about taking Taiwan for at least 50 to 100 years just to make sure China does not have nuke weapons controlled by a idiot on their door step. Yes 50 to 100 years will be required to clean up the mess North Korea is. Of course after this Russia will have a lot of break away states. Yes ending the North Korea mess would give China the cred to be a trust super power to clean up issues.

But at this stage I don't see China playing their hand right. Maybe I am just not seeing the China full double cross of Russia actions yet because China keep that plan hidden enough.

[mSparks]

Or the day Putin dug Russia countries grave.

If you believe in the stories spun by e.g. CNN and "anonymous Ukrainians", you may well think that.

Just dont expect sympathy when that plays out the same way and worse as every other lie CNN and similar propaganda organisations has spun over the last 2 or 3 decades.

Jimmy Dore did a good job of capturing the comedy of that just yesterday

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkBG9lS33L4

[Weasel]

you gave me a link to CNN quoting an anonymous ukrainian.

Why the fuck should anyone believe either of them?

people who listen to them have been led to believe Ukraine is on the outskirts of Moscow about to take over the Kremlin.

At least better than listening to russian propaganda who claimed they have impenetrable defenses, look at the poor Kursk citizens now how they were lied to believe that bullshit. So eat that shit some more.

Anyway, what do they gain by lying about it? More sanctions? North Korea is already the most sanctioned country on the planet, and Russia will soon follow. So why the fuck would they lie?

And btw this same news is everywhere not just on CNN, it was just the first result on google, that's the difference between my sources and yours, you brainwashed puppet.

[mSparks]

Anyway, what do they gain by lying about it?

Money.
e.g.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rachel-maddow-inks-new-deal-remain-msnbc-despite-ratings-woes-questions-about-networks-future

and

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/pentagon-audit-2666415734/

fearporn is still big business. even if its slowly dying, along with the American empire.