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Linus Torvalds Comments On The Russian Linux Maintainers Being Delisted
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Originally posted by ziguana View PostThen Linus should offer that as an explanation instead of smug dismissal of legitimate concerns as trolling.
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I’m not even picking sides on the geopolitics. Nobody can be objectively right on such things; too many variables.
What IS clear and should be the most obvious thing to even a scarcely objective observer is that individual citizens rarely just categorically agree with their government, particularly when it comes to armed conflict. It varies nation by nation but my guess is that the average open source contributor, regardless of country of origin, doesn’t take any pleasure in war waging or widespread death.
TL;DR— individual citizens aren’t their government
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Originally posted by avis View PostInclusivity, they said.
Contributions based on merit, they said.
All empty words in the end.
What's the meaning of "open" in "open source"? Or it was never "open" to begin with?
Originally posted by vextium View PostI'm usually on Linus side here, but this is absurd and stupid, what about the Israel v Palestine “war”? (more like genocide, but that beyond the point right now) Why isn't that conflict getting the same treatment?
The American camps still exist. We call them "Reservations" and America has spun the narrative that them being allowed to live on Reservations instead of their ancestral lands is doing a good deed. I don't see that much of a difference between the various peoples forced to live in Oklahoma or the First Nations in Canada and the Palestinians forced into Reservations like Gaza aside from the level of oppression and genocide.
The real reason for the American Revolution was to renege on treaties the Crown made with various Indian tribes as well as expand into lands beyond the Appalachian Mountains. It wasn't taxes. Americans had the lowest taxes of all the English colonies. Why do you think that America's Divine Providence and Expansion didn't happen until after the Crown was defeated? Because the Crown, as shitty as they historically were, at least respected the deals they made.
While I'm highlighting America, China, India, and a lot of other world powers have very similar instances in their modern histories, too. Supporting Israel is supporting the status quo. Supporting Palestine opens up a lot of world powers into having to rectify their historical atrocities.
ALL OF THAT SAID, I'm neither upset nor surprised that the kernel maintainers are following the laws of the countries that they live under.
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Originally posted by hkupty View PostI agree that it is an escalation, but three years into the war, those who oppose should have had their ties with Russia cut already. Sporting a .ru email now is likely a sign that you aren't so opposed to the aggression, at least at first glance.
But if people is getting so susceptible to email domains, then maybe removing .ru addresses from MAINTAINERS is protecting any users that may automatically add those addresses to messages when working with linux, and if that's now such a serious crime...
In any case, if this masterpiece of western geostrategy causes Putin to withdraw from Ukraine and resign I'll be the first to celebrate...
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Originally posted by opticblu View PostI’m not even picking sides on the geopolitics. Nobody can be objectively right on such things; too many variables.
What IS clear and should be the most obvious thing to even a scarcely objective observer is that individual citizens rarely just categorically agree with their government, particularly when it comes to armed conflict. It varies nation by nation but my guess is that the average open source contributor, regardless of country of origin, doesn’t take any pleasure in war waging or widespread death.
TL;DR— individual citizens aren’t their government
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Originally posted by hf_139 View PostThose sanctions were launched 2.5 years ago.
Why is Linux bothering about that now? Doesn't he read the news and didn't he know about the war?
Will there be sanctions on Israeli maintainers in 1.5 years when the news about the genocide in Gaza reaches Linus?
Oh wait... i know one thing that changed:
The NATO changed the narrative and nobody is talking about kicking Russia out of Ukraine anymore, all the NATO countries (who murdered people in Afghanistan just 6 months before Ukraine) now want negotiations. So all the Western involvement only lead to more dead Ukrainians, since they could have gotten a peace deal already in March 2022.
You're doing a good job Pyotr
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This is so stupid, also why now? the Russian sanctions has been a thing for a long while....sigh.
I have a feeling that the next thing what will happen is that we will soon have two major version of the kernel, the current western one and then the BRICS fork
(sarcasm) I can't wait to see all the major open source projects being split between these two factions, because that's what open source is all about ...sigh (sarcasm)
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