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  • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    You mean the racist liars.
    Yeah like Putin?

    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    Yeah, they arent welcome in Russia, and really no one cares.
    "I will silence whoever disagrees with me."

    Why aren't you silenced on phoronix forums then?

    How does that mentality work for you? Pretty good eh?

    That's literally the definition of dictatorship/authoritarian regime. Thanks once again for admitting it.

    I have no idea what the rest of your post is supposed to mean tbh, you're hitting the sanity limit?

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    • Originally posted by Weasel View Post
      Yeah like Putin?

      "I will silence whoever disagrees with me."

      Why aren't you silenced on phoronix forums then?

      How does that mentality work for you? Pretty good eh?

      That's literally the definition of dictatorship/authoritarian regime. Thanks once again for admitting it.

      I have no idea what the rest of your post is supposed to mean tbh, you're hitting the sanity limit?
      whoever got you believing that bullshit when the truth of the situation is

      The President held a meeting of the Russian Federation Security Council at the Kremlin.


      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


      Yet still stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that Ukraine is not identical to every civil war before it.

      Why do you think Putin is to blame for the people of Luhansk and Donbass saying no to all their land being sold off to US corporations and refusing to obey the orders of criminals like Hunter Biden?​

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      • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
        Krasnopol is 60km range with twice the warhead size, M712 is 16km range.
        No that not Krasnopol a plain Krasnopol is only 20km. Also note the USA M712 16km is effective range not max range. Effective range is the distance you can depend on it always correcting and hitting target(enough flight time for correction todo job). Max range of M712 is 22km if you don't care that it could miss. So yes M712 in it time was better to the knockoff Krasnopol .

        That 60km to be a Krasnopol-D though 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV little problem you know that non nato gun I mentioned for the Rheinmetall Assegai as gun used for the 76km range Rheinmetall Assegai was none other than 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV, So german shell with laser targeting put though the same barrel as Krasnopol-D out ranges it by 16kms. How many 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV have the Ukrainians been able to capture. That 76km certification shots was done is Saudi Arabia before this war because Russia had supplied one with goals of winning supply contract and of course Rheinmetall wanted to win a ammo supply contract.

        This says something scary is the only reason Krasnopol-D out ranges Nato shells is because the Nato barrels are too short and the propellant chamber too small? This is most likely the answer.

        The USA replacement to the Excalibur is something very interesting. Take at stock 155 shell instead of putting in fuse screw in a guidance fuse instead. Yes this can be a laser targeting fuse. Yes the Assegai is the same.

        All the field compares mSparks say all knockoff M712 made by the Russian the Krasnopol has worse flight characteristics than the Nato or USA made shells of the same generation and type. Only time a Krasnopol is out ranging a Nato or USA made shells of the same type and generation is the cases where the firing platform is better. When the firing platform is the same all the Krasnopol is out ranged over and over again.

        Ukraine has the Russian firing platforms so the firing platform here is naturalized..

        Russian should have been very careful not to let the Ukrainian get 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV, 155 types in one piece but that not the case. The idea that equipment is disposable to the point you can leave it in one piece and get it latter is a very big mistake. This has handed the Ukrainians firing systems that when they mix the ammo they have with it so they are superior. Yes Russia had advantage here if they had never let 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV, 155 types be captured in one piece.

        USA and Nato is moving to weapons with changeable seekers. So that 90%+ of the weapon can be made in the cheapest possible way with no classified information required. Yes cheapest possible way includes suspect quality control and using the seeker to correct out the differences.

        Originally posted by mSparks View Post
        close to stall means you descend at about 25m/s forward velocity.

        170×4x25 is 17km, which is a very long way from 72km.
        No stall speed depend on airframe. A feather has a different stall speed to a cannon ball. 747 stall speed is 138 Kts/160 mph forwards speed. that slightly over 71m/s.

        mSparks this is like the idea that gravity is 9.8 m/s2 this is good enough for most maths but when you get to the end cases this is not good enough.

        The research at how fast you can travel forwards while being at the slowest decent speed/terminal velocity cause you to find some odd things that the old flight maths did not consider.

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        • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

          No that not Krasnopol a plain Krasnopol is only 20km.
          Krasnopol M2 is 40km range from a standard 155mm launcher and 60km range from a self propolled howitzer, still rolling off the production line faster than the US can produce conventional shells

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          the closest US analogue is the XM1113, which afaik, is still in development, and still rated to a lower muzzle velocity with a smaller warhead.

          What I think you are missing is the US seems to lack the materials science for strong modern weapons, it was all a bluff, leading to comedies like the F35 airframe falling apart when it fires it's gattling gun, while Russia and China are using high performance titanium alloys for everything from ordinance guidance to aircraft airframes.

          Titanium alloys seem to be the key here, cult of epstein/FVEY military have to limit it's use to jet engine rotors because it is so expensive for them to source, Russian military uses it everywhere instead of aluminium alloys because it is only slightly more expensive for them to do so.

          The whole reason you never see the rest of the footage from Ukrainian hits is because they mostly make it home

          Youve seen
          The Russian Su-25 attack aircraft, performing a sortie in one of the regions of Ukraine, was seriously damaged due to an anti-aircraft missile fired from a MANPADS hitting it. The anti-air missile …


          yes?
          Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
          mSparks this is like the idea that gravity is 9.8 m/s2 this is good enough for most maths but when you get to the end cases this is not good enough.
          The research at how fast you can travel forwards while being at the slowest decent speed/terminal velocity cause you to find some odd things that the old flight maths did not consider.
          You solve it with potential, kinetic energy and time. its a simple maximisation problem where you want to maximise distance by dividing time by some factor, afaik that factor is 2. similar to maximising a gun range is 90/2 degrees. But simulate it and you will have all the answers you need.

          It doesnt matter because ordinance with 150km range that never hits its target is just as useless as ordinance with a 10km range that never hits its target.
          Last edited by mSparks; 10 November 2024, 03:50 AM.

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          • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
            Krasnopol M2 is 40km range from a standard 155mm launcher and 60km range from a self propolled howitzer, still rolling off the production line faster than the US can produce conventional shells


            Excalibur also does 40km from a standard 155 launcher. 50km from a archer. And most like the same range as Krasnopol M2 when fired from 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV and we know this will work because Excaliburs have been tested in ERCA prototype that has barrel speeds faster than 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV and was hitting correctly at 70kms, Yes this is all types including the laser.

            Also mSparks you are wrong on the self propelled howizter you missed 2S19 Msta-S that is also a self propelled howizter that can have a 155 barrel its only a standard length barrel so can only fire the shell 40km.

            Krasnopol M2 matches an Excalibur S exactly. So this is the closest US analogue. Rheinmetall Assegai out ranges both with the same size warhead.

            Originally posted by mSparks View Post
            the closest US analogue is the XM1113, which afaik, is still in development, and still rated to a lower muzzle velocity with a smaller warhead.
            No the XM1113 is over 60 km out a standard length barrel. Yes the same length barrel that Krasnopol M2 and Excalibur only get 40km out of. XM1113 is in fact in production and is being used to back fill USA stores. XM1113 is designed not break worn out barrels while giving range. Yes lower muzzle velocity and smaller warhead is trade off. Most targets don't need that bigger warhead so why wear the barrel.

            XM1113 is in serial production its not in development stage any more still not allowed sold outside the USA. Yes USA making sure they can out range russia if they send their forces in.

            Yes barrel that gets 40km with Excalibur and Krasnopol M2 gets ~50 with Rheinmetall Assegai A barrel you get 60km with Krasnopol M2 you get 76km with Rheinmetall Assegai. And its the Rheinmetall Assegai that will be made in Ukraine. Yes Rheinmetall Assegai rocket shell makes the XM1113 look like a joke the Rheinmetall Assegai rocket shell 155km range out standard barrel you really don't want to be thinking that that going to be doing coming out 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV.

            Also XM1113 out a 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV. is going to do more than 60km by quite a bit.



            This and others like it is where things get interesting. That one is GPS but a few countries do make laser guided versions. Rheinmetall has version with laser seeking.

            mSparks you need to remember a 155 shell can be fired out nato, us and russian barrels. Yes the barrel length makes a very big difference. Lot of the advantage you gave here to the russian shell is the platform it was fired from. You were comparing km range without making sure you were comparing apples to apples.

            Yes it really simple to claim we have better item when you are doing apple vs oranges.

            Cut post here because you started talking cult again mSparks. You are really not wanting answers to stuff because you keep on bring up that topic.

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            • Warhead weight 5.4 kg, that won't touch anything with armour,

              gps/ins guidance, so cant hit stationary targets, let alone moving ones.

              krasnopol is putting 10kg+ shaped exposives on anything moving up to 40kph, from 60km away with 90%+ accuracy. NATO doesn't have anything close to similar.

              FABs are putting up to 3000kg warheads on moving targets up to 60km away with 90%+ accuracy. NATO doesn't have anything close to similar.

              NATO cant actually hit targets more than 5km away (with any weapon that costs less than $1million a piece)....

              NATO said they could do better, the ukraine war proved they couldn't.

              Doesnt matter how many wikipedia links you post to NATO weapons with tiny wareheads and single digit accuracy, its not going to change any of that.
              Last edited by mSparks; 10 November 2024, 08:16 AM.

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              • Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                whoever got you believing that bullshit when the truth of the situation is

                http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67825
                I think all the .ru domains should be changed to .lies like in your case en.kremlin.lies, to better describe their intent.

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                • Originally posted by Weasel View Post
                  I think all the .ru domains should be changed to .lies like in your case en.kremlin.lies, to better describe their intent.
                  do you know what the name is for calling anything you dont like lies, even in the face of overwhelming evidence showing it is not.
                  .com
                  short for
                  Copium.

                  Let me guess, you're a Rachel Maddow fan, despite pretty much everything she has said since her show started having been proved wrong. Although you got to love scissorlegs, shes done more to break the US with hyperbolic propaganda than RT could ever hope for.

                  And now we have

                  Russia plans to establish an independent Linux development community after the removal of Russian contributors from Linux kernel development.


                  With no Microsofties to bribe and corrupt them like what happened in Germany, it will probably happen.
                  Last edited by mSparks; 10 November 2024, 02:01 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by mSparks View Post

                    do you know what the name is for calling anything you dont like lies, even in the face of overwhelming evidence showing it is not.
                    .com
                    short for
                    Copium.

                    Let me guess, you're a Rachel Maddow fan, despite pretty much everything she has said since her show started having been proved wrong. Although you got to love scissorlegs, shes done more to break the US with hyperbolic propaganda than RT could ever hope for.

                    And now we have

                    Russia plans to establish an independent Linux development community after the removal of Russian contributors from Linux kernel development.


                    With no Microsofties to bribe and corrupt them like what happened in Germany, it will probably happen.
                    Russia really doesn't have to fork Linux. In fact, forking Linux is downright silly and not worth the effort.

                    What Russia can and should do is to track upstream's mainline, stable and long-term on a daily basis, and maintain patchsets for these branches for their hardware and stuff that they will like to have supported in the kernel. Even better, release tarballs in sync with the various upstream stable and long-term kernel releases with the Russia-specific patches already added.

                    I will gladly compile and use such kernels on my personal computers.

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                    • Originally posted by mSparks View Post

                      Warhead weight 5.4 kg, that won't touch anything with armour,

                      gps/ins guidance, so cant hit stationary targets, let alone moving ones.
                      Try again type S is not gps/ins guidance only. Warhead weight is not the only factor what kind of explosive is that. PBX is higher explosive yield than what russia uses.

                      5.4 kg of the type of explosive in Excaluiber is equal to about 15kg of what in the krasnopol. Grade of materials uses is very important.

                      Also what use will a krasnopol when russia runs out of barrels. XM1113 is optimized for very degraded barrels.

                      Please note Ukriane drones are using anti tank rpg rounds to cut though armor. Anti tank RPG are less than 4.5 Kg warhead. Turns out correctly designed to cut into armor you don't need 10Kg of warhead.

                      Yes krasnopol design is cope. Most armor can be defeated with the warhead size of the XM1113 as long as you are using the right type of explosive. Yes if that smaller warhead of the XM1113 not getting though neither is the 10kg Kransopol. Same amount of armor stops both.

                      Nato and USA has not been giving the Ukraine the weapons.

                      mSparks here a good question you have not asked. If Excalibur S exists with laser targeting what is Ukraine missing to use it other than not having the round.

                      Simple a system designed to hold laser designation on target while missile flies at at.

                      Teledyne FLIR Defense has launched a new small Unmanned Aerial System (sUAS) payload that can be used to provide NATO-standard...

                      Simple right not give the item like above no using NATO laser targeting rounds.

                      This is exactly like the JDAM and not having the pylons to use the good ones. Ukraine does not have and have not been given the laser target designator to use the good USA and Nato laser guided rounds.

                      NATO and USA have not been given Ukraine the best. In fact they been with holding the tech to use the best.

                      So russian have over inflated ego on how strong they are. You are fighting Ukraine have have both arms tied behind back and one leg and they are still putting up a good showing.
                      Last edited by oiaohm; 11 November 2024, 04:54 AM.

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