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  • oiaohm
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    • Mar 2017
    • 8487

    Originally posted by mSparks View Post
    you don't need to invent stuff, the papers are all public now.
    The bit about flight records and where Trump was happens to be in those papers. I guess someone has not read them.

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    • mSparks
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 2109

      Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

      JDAM GBUs was using gulf war that not the current one being used. There was a lesson learnt from the JDAM GBUs usage in the gulf war. Russia still has to learn this lesson.

      JDAM-ER is smaller it has 75KM range.
      which is useless against entrenched troops and buildings, and gps guidance so also useless against moving point targets.

      Plus 75km is still well within range of an S300 or S400, so they still cant get the aircraft close enough to drop them on Russian equipped troops without a very high probability of losing the aircraft.

      even if they could designate a target, which they cant, because no gps fix, and no way to communicate it to the aircraft even if they read it off a physical map.

      problem with NATO weapons is they are all mostly "offensive" - i.e. designed to attack an enemy that cant fire back with more than small arms. They require air superiority to be effective. there is no way to achieve air superiority vs modern russian military aviation.

      Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
      The bit about flight records and where Trump was happens to be in those papers. I guess someone has not read them.
      And the date of those flights is..... (just to make it easy for you to make the leap of who it was that visited the island that got the feds to raid the island)
      Last edited by mSparks; 06 November 2024, 06:29 AM.

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      • Weasel
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2017
        • 4518

        Originally posted by mSparks View Post
        Prove what? What do you even disagree with there? Did you miss the embedded link?
        The conscripts will serve 12 months, while those called up a year ago will return home


        Which I believe refers to this
        http://static.kremlin.ru/media/event...R4VHaG57mg.pdf
        Your naivete is actually beyond cringe.

        Prove that they returned home and aren't dead. Official statements are not fact. Coming from Russia, they're most likely propaganda bullshit.

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        • Weasel
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2017
          • 4518

          Originally posted by mSparks View Post
          That's not even close to true
          LMFAO.

          Posted yesterday.

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          • oiaohm
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 8487

            Originally posted by mSparks View Post
            which is useless against entrenched troops and buildings, and gps guidance so also useless against moving point targets.
            Remember JDAM all of them are kits. Payload size of JDAM ER means you can load a put a USA bunker buster configurations in it. To break building you don't need a bigger single payload. JDAM operating on inertial guidance still have enough accuracy to be taking out building in ways that cause them to implode. Yes the guidance system on JDAM can be changed.

            So you are saying you entrenched troops are over 1.5 km into the ground??? Lot of ways the USA has not been giving Ukraine the good stuff.

            Originally posted by mSparks View Post
            even if they could designate a target, which they cant, because no gps fix, and no way to communicate it to the aircraft even if they read it off a physical map.
            What control kit. Remember the control kit is changeable. PJDAM is the 300km version it control kit can be fitted tot the JDAM ER and can take updates on target in flight.

            JDAM-ER on russian made aircraft cannot communicate. Things change once you have a f16 or equal in the mix. Yes the f16 can be used as control point for missiles it did not even fire. There are a lot of limitations that can go away.


            Originally posted by mSparks View Post
            Plus 75km is still well within range of an S300 or S400, so they still cant get the aircraft close enough to drop them on Russian equipped troops without a very high probability of losing the aircraft.
            You ask for what was FAB equal. That equal is the JDAM ER. Yes both run into the deference problem. Russia can use more FAB due to Ukraine weaker air defence.

            Testing against different deference is another reason why for gliding bombs USA did not go bigger. Bigger equaled the Gepard and it class of weapons being able to turn the gliding bombs into air-burst because not enough rounds in the air to overload the defense.. Many smaller rounds at a single target is more likely to make it in a true heavy multi layer air defense area.

            Russian aircraft dropping fabs have been falling fowl of mobile patriot systems because they are getting too close as well.

            Originally posted by mSparks View Post
            problem with NATO weapons is they are all mostly "offensive" - i.e. designed to attack an enemy that cant fire back with more than small arms. They require air superiority to be effective. there is no way to achieve air superiority vs modern russian military aviation..
            No this is wrong. Issue is volume of equipment and lack of spending to replace old units and upgrade existing.. Yes some of this is big things. Like not having the new replacements to the Gepard for short range defense in inventory and worse like the NSAM not one of the Nato NSAM2 got the the 2009 missile upgrade that double the range of engagement from 50km to 100km and also increase max altitude of engagement.. The one country that did the upgrade was Australia.

            Yes Nato has had problem of upgrading the offensive shiny weapon not the boring but very important defensive weapons,

            Nato arms industry have designed a lot of very good defense weapons but have had their governments going these old weapons we have on storage are good enough. Very much like the Russian problem. No point having a stockpile of weapons that are no longer as effective as they need to be.

            Yes Nato is dumping lots of equipment like old nsam2 to Ukraine while they replace them with the new Nsam3 that have the proper range.

            It would help Ukraine a lot if it was not being given all the hand me downs. So its not that NATO is mostly offensive its more NATO has not spent the money they should upgrading their weapon systems this is both defensive and offensive, This battle would have looked very different if all the airdefence given to Ukraine had been upgraded to where they should have been.

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            • mSparks
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 2109

              Originally posted by Weasel View Post
              Your naivete is actually beyond cringe.

              Prove that they returned home and aren't dead. Official statements are not fact. Coming from Russia, they're most likely propaganda bullshit.
              The fact us/europe/youtube/google had to ban any reporters showing what is actually happening while elevating the most hyperbolic bullshit is more than enough proof for me.

              contrary to what the propaganda claims, and is happening to the ukrainians that are getting dragged off the street, russian conscripts are not used for direct conflict, they are used for logistics/construction/policing - stuff that doesnt need years of hard physical and mental training.and expensive equipment. Have you got a single piece of evidence that there were a meaningful number of casualties in those roles? (besides "official statements" - which we both agree contain a high degree of bullshit)

              Plus that is not an "official statement", its a legal decree that orders them home, if they didn't come home it would be front page news on cult of epstein media. It's not, so they did. The best Ive seen the BBC could muster was a Russian graveyard they claimed was for Russian KIA, that was smaller than ours for covid victims.
              Last edited by mSparks; 07 November 2024, 12:16 AM.

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              • mSparks
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2007
                • 2109

                Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
                inertial guidance
                Is basically useless, and limits you to slow subsonic munitions with a very short range.
                Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
                You ask for what was FAB equal. That equal is the JDAM ER.
                analogue - By which I mean can be used for the same purpose to achieve the same goals.

                jdam is not, they tried it, it failed and was abandoned, like I said, m7* has good unbiased videos on this.

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                "by December 2023 the ukrainians did not use it anymore"
                Last edited by mSparks; 06 November 2024, 11:28 PM.

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                • oiaohm
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 8487

                  Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                  Is basically useless, and limits you to slow subsonic munitions with a very short range.
                  FAB glide kit and JDAM ER are both slow subsonic munitions so inertial guidance is in fact quite good.

                  Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                  analogue - By which I mean can be used for the same purpose to achieve the same goals.

                  jdam is not, they tried it, it failed and was abandoned, like I said, m7* has good unbiased videos on this.
                  Australia has referenced supplying "air-to-ground precision munitions" to Ukraine on two occasions, without specifically naming JDAM-ERs.


                  There are more than 1 version of the JDAM ER control system. The Jdam the Australian had were inertial guidance only. There is a big catch you need a f16 or better fighter aircraft to use them.

                  mSparks firing from Russian made aircraft limits the modes and types of JDAM ER controllers that can be used. The video you have is about GPS guided JDAM not the inertial guidance ones.

                  Yes inertial guidance one give a serous middle finger to GPS jamming and spoofing. Of course inertial guidance jdam er need the fighter aircraft firing them to be able to give them correct starting location and correct offset from that location to target. This can be given solved a few different ways as well.

                  December 2023 is when ukranine stop using only GPS guided JDAM ER completely but they have been using inertial guidance JDAM ER all year. Yes required russia jets to have a upgrade mounting solution.

                  Plans to give Ukraine JDAM-ERs with new seekers come as Western precision-guided munitions are reportedly suffering from Russian GPS jamming.


                  Yes another fun point of JDAM ER is the change seeker module.

                  JDAM ER is part of a USA series of weapons that share the same seeker module, So seeker module can be mass produced. Yes JDAM ER with the right seeker module can in fact hit a moving target.

                  This is what makes JDAM ER class of weapons hard to deal with. You do a stunt that messes with a JDAM ER replace a 1/4 kg part with upgrade version and what you were doing is now useless.

                  Yes if you had a drone lazer painting target and access to the lazer seeker module for JDAM and others......

                  mSparks basically Russia has not bricked all the JDAM weapons. Ukraine was not given the JDAM ER will the full collection to seekers to use some of this was the caused by the limited integration when on Russian aircraft. F16 opens up the seekers the JDAM ER can use. This include ones that connect to the USA tactical data net.

                  All JDAMs can be the one of the following.
                  1) GPS guide only(yes suxs if jammed)
                  2) inertial guidance only(requires western aircraft) to give start location direct connection to aircraft. Does not work with adapter to russian aircraft..
                  3)GPS guide with inertial running in combination. Configuration here important what one is dominate and when. This can be quite jam resistant these also support direct connection to aircraft and with direct connected to aircraft can have the GPS bit disabled while in flight.
                  4) GPS guide with inertial running in combination with data link.
                  5) Laser targeting with GPS guide with inertial running in combination with data link.
                  6) Radar targeting used for targeting ships with GPS guide with inertial running in combination with data link.

                  All the ones with data link could be fire off russia aircraft with a F16 or other Weston aircraft updating it current location mid flight. Note the problem no weston aircraft 2, 4 ,5, 6 are not usable.

                  Yes that all the ones the USA have documented so far. And there is more.

                  Version 5 the laser designation device could be placed on a long range drone. There is a vertical takeoff and landing drone Ukraine has been given recently than can dot he designation role.

                  mSparks like it or not JDAM ER is analogue to the FAB bombs. Of course the problem here is JDAM ER is not single weapon instead it a customizable platform. Russia has managed to jam and mess up at least half the JDAM ER that can be used by Russian aircraft alone. But that less than 1/6 of the types of JDAM ER that exist.

                  First generation JDAM ER were GPS only without a replaceable seeker module. Yes to change the seeker module with first generation on this is strip the complete kit off and put a new kit on. These were coming up on end of life so these were given in volume to Ukraine. Inertial guidance only is second generation same with GPS and internal guidance. Everything second generation and newer in the JDAM ER uses the same seeker module connection so this is replaceable to upgrade targeting and the like. just by taking the nose off and putting a new nose on..

                  mSparks this is a case the USA has not been giving Ukraine the good stuff.

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                  • mSparks
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 2109

                    Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
                    FAB glide kit and JDAM ER are both slow subsonic munitions so inertial guidance is in fact quite good.
                    dropping subsonic limits range to about 10or 20km, that puts you in range of manpads and pretty much guaranteed you will lose the aircraft, making each bombing run cost $100 million+. $1million for an ATCMS is still unsustainable, but still cheaper than that. 60km requires high super sonic drops.
                    Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
                    mSparks this is a case the USA has not been giving Ukraine the good stuff.
                    No it's a case that the jdam targeting system is a pile of shit, no datalink, high reliance on gps which has now been proven to be useless. NATO is still stuck on the old, insanely slow (100kBs) and very vulnerable link16 even if jdam was equipped with it, which it isn't, plus there is a museum in Moscow now showing off they did supply the "good stuff", people saying that they didn't was cope when they started getting pwned.

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                    about the only Russian weapon that has had some struggles is the FAB3000 - and that is more about the lack of aircraft equipped to carry it and the complexity of guiding such heavy munitions, and even its still proven more than capable of flattening the desired city block when deployed.

                    plus you are still ignoring krasnopol as an analogue, the only similar western system to that is still on the US armies wish list, the last prototype failed catastrophically.
                    Last edited by mSparks; 07 November 2024, 03:07 AM.

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                    • Weasel
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2017
                      • 4518

                      Originally posted by mSparks View Post
                      The fact us/europe/youtube/google had to ban any reporters
                      Because Russia totally allows reporters on its soil. Oh wait, they want to ARREST rather than just sanction.

                      Scared of facts?

                      You're in no position to talk, you brainwashed brainlet. If you are going to bitch about something the EU or UN did, make sure your pathetic regime leads by example first by showing how free and open it is.

                      Until then everything you say and believe has zero value. We call this "eye for an eye", or "fighting fire with fire".


                      Oh look at this gem at the bottom:

                      A Message from The Moscow Times:

                      Dear readers,

                      We are facing unprecedented challenges. Russia's Prosecutor General's Office has designated The Moscow Times as an "undesirable" organization, criminalizing our work and putting our staff at risk of prosecution. This follows our earlier unjust labeling as a "foreign agent."

                      These actions are direct attempts to silence independent journalism in Russia. The authorities claim our work "discredits the decisions of the Russian leadership." We see things differently: we strive to provide accurate, unbiased reporting on Russia.

                      We, the journalists of The Moscow Times, refuse to be silenced. But to continue our work, we need your help.
                      LMFAO. Can it get any more cringe?

                      Grow the fuck up.
                      Last edited by Weasel; 07 November 2024, 01:29 PM.

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