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Originally posted by Panix View PostDo you blame the USA/NATO? Russia is innocent?!?
Sure, Russia has no choice but to bomb and send shells into parts of Kyiv and other provinces of Ukraine - even though, at the start, Russia's CLAIM was they only had beefs with parts of Eastern Ukraine
You've just spent 10 years trying to negotiate a peace between extremist russians and extremist far right racist ukrainians, you are through several minsk agreements that seem to be a reasonable balance between the two extreme points of view.
Within the week around the 10th Feb 2022:
Angela merkal says the only reason for minsk was to give time to arm the far right racist ukrainians.
Zelenski gives a speech saying they will never abide by minsk and they want nuclear weapons to use on Moscow (that is also the secret paragraphs in his new victory plan)
Your entire government holds a three hour presentation to you listing and presenting the evidence of all the atrocities commited by those far right ukrainians on people who speak Russian/dont speak ukrainian and insisting that you recognise the LPR and DPR as independant states and respond to their request (begs) for assistance.
What would you do next?
Personally I wouldnt have had the patience to put up with the bullshit for 10 years.
What was the alternative?
Originally posted by UiopWe are VICTORIOUS!
Good for you, well done, have some milk and a biscuit with a gold star to stick on your homework, sit down and shut the fuck up.Last edited by mSparks; 25 October 2024, 04:54 PM.
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Originally posted by MorrisS. View PostThis proof that you and the fanatics like you are criminals such as putin, hitler, stalin.
We are the good guystherefor if we do something horrible it does not count but if they "bad guys" do the same then they are Hitler you can't do anything bad as enemy of the US and be less than Hitler.. it don't get's lower.
Every single crime in history (except the ones from the US of course) is as bad as what Hitler did, good to know that Hitler wasn't that bad after all, had to learn my whole childhood in Germany that what he / our country did was exceptional... good to know that he is just a normal common autocrat... like hundreds if not thousands others...
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Originally posted by hkupty View PostI'm baffled by the naivety of some. Have we not learnt anything from xz? I wonder if it crossed their minds an ill intended person could weaponize open source software or use it to spy...
Now imagine it on a global scale where a country is unequivocally guilty of aggression of a peaceful sovereign state.
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Originally posted by mSparks View Post
Very good point. Let me turn that back on you. What would you have done?
You've just spent 10 years trying to negotiate a peace between extremist russians and extremist far right racist ukrainians, you are through several minsk agreements that seem to be a reasonable balance between the two extreme points of view.
Within the week around the 10th Feb 2022:
Angela merkal says the only reason for minsk was to give time to arm the far right racist ukrainians.
Zelenski gives a speech saying they will never abide by minsk and they want nuclear weapons to use on Moscow (that is also the secret paragraphs in his new victory plan)
Your entire government holds a three hour presentation to you listing and presenting the evidence of all the atrocities commited by those far right ukrainians on people who speak Russian/dont speak ukrainian and insisting that you recognise the LPR and DPR as independant states and respond to their request (begs) for assistance.
What would you do next?
Personally I wouldnt have had the patience to put up with the bullshit for 10 years.
What was the alternative?
Good for you, well done, have some milk and a biscuit with a gold star to stick on your homework, sit down and shut the fuck up.
Where do you get your info? What are your sources?
Zelensky is not ethnic Ukrainian - he's a Jewish Oligarch puppet. He implemented martial law that prevents only ethnic Ukrainian males from leaving. Putin called him a 'Nazi' and the government administration (who have Jewish governors and mayors all over the government) nazis - and used this as a motive or reason for invading. At first, the rationale was to protect the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine - as the Putin government reasoned that they were attacked (um, they fucking seized control of those regions! How are they attacked?) but then Russia started shelling other regions of Ukraine including Kiev. How the fuck is that trying to protect ethnic Russians in the Separatist Republics? Why does anyone including RUSSIANS think Putin or his government give a FLYING FUCK about ethnic Russians? This is a government who opened their borders to millions and millions of Asian migrants - who put ethnic Russians in JAIL for speaking out against the government (against invading Ukraine; against the mass immigration of Asian republics and any other critique that they deem provocative and 'insulting' of the government justifying prison - with kangaroo courts that put them them).
Are you figuring anything out yet? These two governments are just puppet states who are complicit in attacking Ukraine, killing many Ukrainians in the process - and the USA/the West doesn't give a fuck either. The Russian sanctions do little - they hurt the citizens but the governments don't give a fuck. The amount of propaganda and bs on both sides show that there is not a real wish to end the war. The USA and other nations send weapons so the war can just escalate and continue. Yes, the USA is just as guilty for their influence - they wanted certain ppl in the Ukraine government - and the meddling - with the Bidens etc. - but, all these ppl are scum who are not trying to help Ukrainians. Unfortunately, most ppl get their info from mainstream media and other biased sources - that parrot talking points and other bs - ppl eventually adopt the typical narratives that these liars and propaganda peddlers express.
There's no way to answer your question because it's based on bs that you have been following. Ukraine doesn't have a government that wants peace and Russia doesn't either - these puppets don't do anything but do what their masters tell them to do. War is a good money maker and a distraction from problems at home - blame gas prices on the war, blame resource problems on the war - just point fingers at each other and remember, Zelensky was losing popularity as he had not helped improve the situation in Ukraine before the war - corruption was still rampant but when the war started - he was able to beat his chest and go visit other nations like the USA and Israel and ask for help (money; weapons) - and all was forgotten as Ukraine now had bigger problems.
It's all political theatre and if you want to ask me questions or what I would do - you need to be able to perceive the situation, accurately, first.
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Originally posted by mSparks View Post
Very good point. Let me turn that back on you. What would you have done?
You've just spent 10 years trying to negotiate a peace between extremist russians and extremist far right racist ukrainians, you are through several minsk agreements that seem to be a reasonable balance between the two extreme points of view.
Within the week around the 10th Feb 2022:
Angela merkal says the only reason for minsk was to give time to arm the far right racist ukrainians.
Zelenski gives a speech saying they will never abide by minsk and they want nuclear weapons to use on Moscow (that is also the secret paragraphs in his new victory plan)
Your entire government holds a three hour presentation to you listing and presenting the evidence of all the atrocities commited by those far right ukrainians on people who speak Russian/dont speak ukrainian and insisting that you recognise the LPR and DPR as independant states and respond to their request (begs) for assistance.
What would you do next?
Personally I wouldnt have had the patience to put up with the bullshit for 10 years.
What was the alternative?
Good for you, well done, have some milk and a biscuit with a gold star to stick on your homework, sit down and shut the fuck up.
I'll add to it here.
Edit: the way to deal with the separatist Ukrainians (by nationality) - who want to join Russia- was to negotiate a 'special' status - but, yes, you are right - I wouldn't want to deal with that for 10 years. The probem is - they have been brainwashed by Bolshevik/Communist brainwashing for over 20 years and when the pro-Russia President was disposed of - and in their eyes, a USA-puppet government was installed in Ukraine - they decided to separate. So, you need to change that opinion of theirs - and since Ukraine is not sovereign, anyway - there was no way of doing that with their situation. Ukraine needs a different administration and until you get that - the pawns - both the Russians there and the Ukrainians who are patriots - and want to oppose them - needs to open their eyes as they are being manipulated.
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Originally posted by Panix View PostI tried to edit my post.
I'll add to it here.
Edit: the way to deal with the separatist Ukrainians (by nationality) - who want to join Russia- was to negotiate a 'special' status - but, yes, you are right - I wouldn't want to deal with that for 10 years. The probem is - they have been brainwashed by Bolshevik/Communist brainwashing for over 20 years and when the pro-Russia President was disposed of - and in their eyes, a USA-puppet government was installed in Ukraine - they decided to separate. So, you need to change that opinion of theirs - and since Ukraine is not sovereign, anyway - there was no way of doing that with their situation. Ukraine needs a different administration and until you get that - the pawns - both the Russians there and the Ukrainians who are patriots - and want to oppose them - needs to open their eyes as they are being manipulated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification has gone on for more than 20 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainization has what going on where the Ukrainian government is trying to reverse Russification,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainization#/media/File:Subdivisions_of_the_Russian_Empire_by_largest _ethnolinguistic_group_(1897).svg
Yes this 1897 map is interesting right all the area of modern day Ukraine other than Crimea first language should not be Russian but should be Ukrainian. Yes Crimea the first language should be something also not Russian. Yes even in early USSR times first language taught in Ukraine mainland area was Ukrainian with Russian as second language.
Panix this is another side of the problem.
The core problem starts after the famine Holodomor 1932 to 1933 that happened in Ukraine that a few Bolshevik groups from russia were forced migrated into into Ukraine to replace the lost man power. Yes these people who were force migrated did speak Russian they also are know to even today lot of their children were not learning the dominate language of the area Ukraine that is Ukrainian instead insist on using Russian. Yes this is part of the problem in the native/first people Ukrainian those Bolsheviks who want their own bit of Ukraine have no right to the land in the first place and should return home to Russia. Yes Ukraine returning there culture and education systems pre 1932 is not compatible with the Bolsheviks imported in 1934. Yes the native Ukrainians are like everyone in Ukraine that not Crimea should speak Ukrainian as it the language of the land if you don't want to learn the language of the land you should migrate.
Panix there are two generic groups here. Yes the older language maps done by the Russians tell you clearly that Ukraine is not Russian historically and this is the core of the problem. Telling some countries first person people that they should give up land that hold sacred stories to them. kind of does not fly for some reason.
This bit of history that the core Ukrainians are the first people of the area explains why the 90% Ukraine population might fight to last man women and child over the land of Ukraine.
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Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
It more than 20 years. Ukrainian is older culture than the Russian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification has gone on for more than 20 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainization has what going on where the Ukrainian government is trying to reverse Russification,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainization#/media/File:Subdivisions_of_the_Russian_Empire_by_largest _ethnolinguistic_group_(1897).svg
Yes this 1897 map is interesting right all the area of modern day Ukraine other than Crimea first language should not be Russian but should be Ukrainian. Yes Crimea the first language should be something also not Russian. Yes even in early USSR times first language taught in Ukraine mainland area was Ukrainian with Russian as second language.
Panix this is another side of the problem.
The core problem starts after the famine Holodomor 1932 to 1933 that happened in Ukraine that a few Bolshevik groups from russia were forced migrated into into Ukraine to replace the lost man power. Yes these people who were force migrated did speak Russian they also are know to even today lot of their children were not learning the dominate language of the area Ukraine that is Ukrainian instead insist on using Russian. Yes this is part of the problem in the native/first people Ukrainian those Bolsheviks who want their own bit of Ukraine have no right to the land in the first place and should return home to Russia. Yes Ukraine returning there culture and education systems pre 1932 is not compatible with the Bolsheviks imported in 1934. Yes the native Ukrainians are like everyone in Ukraine that not Crimea should speak Ukrainian as it the language of the land if you don't want to learn the language of the land you should migrate.
Panix there are two generic groups here. Yes the older language maps done by the Russians tell you clearly that Ukraine is not Russian historically and this is the core of the problem. Telling some countries first person people that they should give up land that hold sacred stories to them. kind of does not fly for some reason.
This bit of history that the core Ukrainians are the first people of the area explains why the 90% Ukraine population might fight to last man women and child over the land of Ukraine.
The Holodomor part is extremely significant too - The Bolsheviks starved millions of Ukrainians - and Russia has had lots of influence over Ukrainian politics - with 'pro-Russia' parties - many Ukrainians are just tired of their influence - the fact they starved millions of Ukrainians - partly because they were worried about Ukr. nationalism - it didn't matter - many Ukrainians have their own views on Russia - and that's why they have been increasingly 'leaning' towards Western influence - if they have to choose - many are choosing the West/USA. So, think about it? It is making it even worse - with the war. Whenever Russia will try to negotiate with Ukraine - they won't trust Russia anymore and will move towards the West even more now. There is no good solution now - the only thing one can do is to recognize what is really going on - which I tried to touch upon with my previous posts.
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Originally posted by mSparks View PostVery good point. Let me turn that back on you. What would you have done?
You've just spent 10 years trying to negotiate a peace between extremist russians and extremist far right racist ukrainians, you are through several minsk agreements that seem to be a reasonable balance between the two extreme points of view.
Within the week around the 10th Feb 2022:
Angela merkal says the only reason for minsk was to give time to arm the far right racist ukrainians.
Zelenski gives a speech saying they will never abide by minsk and they want nuclear weapons to use on Moscow (that is also the secret paragraphs in his new victory plan)
Your entire government holds a three hour presentation to you listing and presenting the evidence of all the atrocities commited by those far right ukrainians on people who speak Russian/dont speak ukrainian and insisting that you recognise the LPR and DPR as independant states and respond to their request (begs) for assistance.
What would you do next?
Personally I wouldnt have had the patience to put up with the bullshit for 10 years.
What was the alternative?
A pathetic imperialist terrorist state won't understand that no, having the most landmass doesn't mean you get to be treated equally when it comes to these conflicts. It actually proves that you're full of shit and just seek excuses to conquer some more land.
This is like hearing a billionaire cry about money.
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