Several Linux Kernel Driver Maintainers Removed Due To Their Association To Russia

[oiaohm]

fits my theory of eradicating high numbers of Slavic ppl - adding North Koreans helps to hide that. If it was a 'war' and there were aims or a purpose - and everyone knows the Russian army dwarfs the Ukrainian - it would have been over by now. One of the main aims is to kill those ppl.

That does not add up as the only reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#/media/File:Slavic_tribes_in_the_7th_to_9th_century.jpg

Weston Russia is not Slavic. Most of Russian army deaths are non Slavic.

Its more you don't have "Russian ethnicity" they want you dead if you look at how Russia is recruiting the army now.

Russian army does dwarf the Ukrainian but quality of soldiers with training and how much corruption and the like is important. Early on the war Russia lost lots of their trained units. Yes when the believed they were going to win in 3 days. Yes stupid things came out like Ukraine getting a stack of equipment because they run out of usable fuel. Yes fuel tankers half filled with water and setup to pump from top really mess up how much fuel you think you have and other stupid corruptions like this.

Panix the issue you miss is a quality trained solider on battle field is worth between 4 to 100 not quality ones. Panix there are many battles in word war I and II that go against counter to the number of soldiers. USSR WWII battles were knowing for losing at least 2 to one compared to the trained Germans yes as high as 20 to 1..

If the USA had not given equipment and weather has not beat the Germans the USSR would have fallen. The bad problem is this victory has left the Russian with the logic throw enough bodies at problem we will win in the end.

[Catmen]

One of the main aims is to kill those ppl.

Mistake - killing people is a method. Method of russian domination over neighboring nations.

The method that the Russians show - this is what will happen to those who do not obey us.
Your economy, your values...
We will simply kill some of you and the rest will obey.

[Panix]

"The terrorist" is a subjective word. Many people from middle-east may US as a terrorist state after bombing their lands over decades.

You may consider Russian war on Ukraine can be seen as violent and terrible, Russia have absolutely no reason to invade other country. In other hand, Ukraine government been murdering people from Donbas region with military over a decades, many of them ethnically Russian people. Under Russian government point of view, this is a clear casus belli for war.

Also, you can easily see how Ukraine, a country without any chances to win a war, is forcefully enlisting Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder and likely committing a genocide on Ukrainian people. This is a dumb take and violation of the Art of War tactics.

France surrendered twice against Germans, after the Franco-Prussian war and WW2. People may say French were cowards, but it's not, they understood you need to surrender when you can't statistically win a war. Otherwise, civilians will die at the front-lines or by artillery, and you will still lose the war.

This is a political question, not a fact. People may agree or disagree with my previous statements and that's fine.

Except, Russia is not fighting war to 'help Russians in Donbass.' When are you MORONS going to realize that these governments don't care about you or your ppl/citizens?!? F***!
There's a few reasons for it - but, it's already been said - by myself and someone else (not sure, but, I recall someone mentioning it) - there are valuable resources in Donbass - and Russia doesn't want Ukraine 'running/controlling it' - if Ukraine can 'get around' Russia's supply of gas/oil to Europe and provide it themselves - then Russia has less options. This is about oligarch money and control. Plus, they want to kill Slavic ppl.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/natural-resources-ukraine-war-1.6467039

"The eastern Donbas region, where most of the fighting has taken place over the last eight years, is often referred to as the industrial heartland of Ukraine. Rich in coal, it has helped fire the steel plants, foundries and electric generators of the country for a century, or more."
The country ranks fourth globally in terms of total assessed value of natural resources, with roughly $15 billion in annual output and a potential "assessed value [that] could be as high as $7.5 trillion," according to the report.

Beyond that, Ukraine is thought to have the largest supply of recoverable rare earth resources in Europe, although much of it is undeveloped. Rare earth minerals (cerium, yttrium, lanthanum and neodymium) and alloys are used in many devices people use every day, such as computer memory, rechargeable batteries, cellphones and much more."

Anyway, sacrificing Russian (and now, North Korean) soldiers and killing Ukrainians - who are just stockpiling into war - and nothing is actually accomplished here - fits my theory of eradicating high numbers of Slavic ppl - adding North Koreans helps to hide that. If it was a 'war' and there were aims or a purpose - and everyone knows the Russian army dwarfs the Ukrainian - it would have been over by now. One of the main aims is to kill those ppl.

[Catmen]

"The terrorist" is a subjective word.

Oh boy... The rocket that struck Okhmatdyt (a children's hospital for cancer patients)... 2-3 kilometers from me... is a terrorist act.

And "ethnic russians" shot down MH17 in Donbas... is a terrorist act.

And then there are the Iranian drones with which the Russians try to kill me every night.

And I am half the same "ethnic Russian"...

So how do you call it all boy? Subjective terrorism?

[oiaohm]

You may consider Russian war on Ukraine can be seen as violent and terrible, Russia have absolutely no reason to invade other country. In other hand, Ukraine government been murdering people from Donbas region with military over a decades, many of them ethnically Russian people. Under Russian government point of view, this is a clear casus belli for war.

There are more points to this. Russia as we can see by public records was mislead at best and at worst causing the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

WalterCool its a matter of record the first to start murdering people in the Donbas was not the Ukraine Government but instead the Russia backed separatist.

This is old USSR/USA cold war game play. Help not so good rebel forces to make excuse to take control of area. Russia under there alternative to Nato had the option of in fact sending peace keepers and disarming the mess.

Why was this not a option you have to long no more deep than to notice all Russia attack helicopters use engines built in Ukraine with no alternative and the list goes on. Ukraine joining nato breaks large areas of the Russian industrial complex.

Also, you can easily see how Ukraine, a country without any chances to win a war, is forcefully enlisting Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder and likely committing a genocide on Ukrainian people. This is a dumb take and violation of the Art of War tactics.

Russia did this with the population in the Donbas first.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/20/pro-russian-separatists-step-up-forced-conscription-as-losses-mount

Yes it very possible that there are zero men left in the Donbas. Yes this started at the start of the Donbas war.

Yes the Russia backed separatists have been in violation of the Art of War Tactices.

Ukrainian government has every reason to believe forced conscription is a good idea because the Russia backed separatists did it first so any fighting man not used to protect country will be used by Russia/Russia separatists either to attack Ukraine or to attack other countries. Basically if the other side is going to conscript your population for their gain you might as well.

Russia backed separatists started forced conscription in 2014.

France surrendered twice against Germans, after the Franco-Prussian war and WW2. People may say French were cowards, but it's not, they understood you need to surrender when you can't statistically win a war. Otherwise, civilians will die at the front-lines or by artillery, and you will still lose the war.

Except the Ukrainians have already surrendered 8 times to the Russians though history. Each time their civilians were punished and the Russia did not keep it word. Ukrainians have simply had enough.

Statistically cannot win war is not reason to surrender. Many war battles and wars have gone against the statistics, From the Ukrainian side they risk losing more surrendering to Russia. Why the deals russia has broken says that they do a deal now and Russia will just stock pile equipment and be back in 10 to 20 years and start the battle all over again.

[WalterCool]

In my opinion, Linux looks better without the russians.

Open source is written for people. Therefore, one should think not about the code, but about people, about the intentions with which it will be used.

Do you want to write code for terrorists? The code will be nice but... people will die.

"The terrorist" is a subjective word. Many people from middle-east may US as a terrorist state after bombing their lands over decades.

You may consider Russian war on Ukraine can be seen as violent and terrible, Russia have absolutely no reason to invade other country. In other hand, Ukraine government been murdering people from Donbas region with military over a decades, many of them ethnically Russian people. Under Russian government point of view, this is a clear casus belli for war.

Also, you can easily see how Ukraine, a country without any chances to win a war, is forcefully enlisting Ukrainian men into the meatgrinder and likely committing a genocide on Ukrainian people. This is a dumb take and violation of the Art of War tactics.

France surrendered twice against Germans, after the Franco-Prussian war and WW2. People may say French were cowards, but it's not, they understood you need to surrender when you can't statistically win a war. Otherwise, civilians will die at the front-lines or by artillery, and you will still lose the war.

This is a political question, not a fact. People may agree or disagree with my previous statements and that's fine.

[WalterCool]

I honestly hate when politics gets into OpenSource projects.

This is just another example.

Agreeing or disagreeing with Russia government, it's totally not related to Linux Kernel. The war will not stop because Russian devs been kicked out, also, it's more likely that Russia and China will fork and maintain their own Linux Kernel instead.

The Linux Foundation is just lame here, there is absolutely no gain by kicking Russian devs why may or may not support what their politicians are doing. Now, we have less maintainers and significant brain drain.

I still strongly disagree with Linus Torvalds words, his comments about "being Finnish" and "history knowledge" appealing to WW2 seems very personal reasons to get rid of Russian devs.

[oiaohm]

Nope

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#000000][galileo@sol ~]$ echo Kyiv | aspell pipe [/COLOR]
@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.60.8.1)
& Kyiv 41 0: Ky iv, Ky-iv, Kiev, Jive, Kayo, JV, Kirov, Kyoto, Kayos, Keying, Kaye, Give, Gov, Guv, Gyve, CV, Clvi, Clive, Jove, Kayak, Keyed, GIF, Kph, Kayo's, Kayoing, Coif, CATV, CCTV, Java, Cove, Jiff, Goya, Quiver, Kaye's, Giver, Y
ou've, Cave, Gave, Clvii, CF, Cf[/FONT]

​

The rest is typical BS and a feature of young extremist nationalism that makes crazy ahistorical claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv#Name

Aspell is not authority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv#Name

Ukrainian: Київ, romanized: Kyiv,

There are romanized conversion standards. If you are Russian or Ukrainian you strike a word that you don't have a english word for then you the romanized standard/standards. Russian you have multi standards to choose from..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Ukrainian

galileo the kyiv translation is from Ukrainian to english is what you get when you apply 1885 Library of Congress system or British Standard from 1958 there are older ones before 1804 as well the result is always kyiv with the Systematic transliterations/Scientific Translation.

Yes Kiyev is what you get when you apply the english romanized system to the Russian of the time when Kiev first usage in 1804. Yes
Systematic transliterations/Scientific transliteration of Russian to English and Ukrainian to English predate the world Kiev ever being used in English..

So John Cary in 1804 made a typo that got into the dictionary. Russian to English documents before 1804 that do exist for Kyiv/Kiev have the spelling Kiyev. John Cary missed a y this is not a question it is the fact. We have been miss spelling the city name for over 200 years and spellcheckers and dictionaries have enforced this mistake because no one bothered to double check if John Cary got it work right. Yes you can put out the Romanization standard/Systematic transliterations/Scientific Translation that John Cary should have been using in 1804 and see that he is absolutely wrong yes this is the first usage of Kiev is a error. Kiyev for location is found in documents before 1804.

This is not the only case of a word getting into English dictionaries that when you check the history its opps it some very old typo we just kept on repeating.

galileo I deal with scientific names for stuff there is such thing as a scientific English dictionary this predate the dictionary of aspell and yes it contains systemmatic standards for converting languages to scientific english because when dealing with names there is too many for your general usage dictionaries..

So this is not BS. This Kiev has to be one of the most repeated spelling errors. When the correction requires a extra char this causes a stack of formatting errors. When looking at Systematic transliterations/Scientific Translation to English looking for one that spits out a 4 letter for the Ukrainian capital word the Ukrainian is your only option. Systematic transliterations/Scientific Translation of Russian of the Ukrainian capital to English always spits out 5 to 6 letter word.

Yes part of the Kyiv not Kiev was attempt to get rid of a historic typo that had been around for 200+ years not just nationalism.

[galileo]

No wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv#Name

Kyiv is what you get when you translate the name from Ukrainian to English. Kiev is what you get when you translate from Russian to English majority of the time but not always. And the Russian is translated from Ukrainian because Kyiv exists as city before Russian exists as a language. Ukrainian as a language is older than Russian.

Nope

[FONT=monospace][COLOR=#000000][galileo@sol ~]$ echo Kyiv | aspell pipe [/COLOR]
@(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.60.8.1)
& Kyiv 41 0: Ky iv, Ky-iv, Kiev, Jive, Kayo, JV, Kirov, Kyoto, Kayos, Keying, Kaye, Give, Gov, Guv, Gyve, CV, Clvi, Clive, Jove, Kayak, Keyed, GIF, Kph, Kayo's, Kayoing, Coif, CATV, CCTV, Java, Cove, Jiff, Goya, Quiver, Kaye's, Giver, Y
ou've, Cave, Gave, Clvii, CF, Cf[/FONT]

​

The rest is typical BS and a feature of young extremist nationalism that makes crazy ahistorical claims.

[Catmen]

Russian devs are talented enough to be able to write their own patches for a hypothetical "Acer Aspire" if they wanted to. I don't really see what this restriction is supposed to achieve - the Russians can just fork the kernel and continue developing it themselves if they desire. This achieves nothing and simply make Linux look bad.

In my opinion, Linux looks better without the russians.

Open source is written for people. Therefore, one should think not about the code, but about people, about the intentions with which it will be used.

Do you want to write code for terrorists? The code will be nice but... people will die.