Several Linux Kernel Driver Maintainers Removed Due To Their Association To Russia

[Weasel]

So you stand with Gaza I guess?

Hamas attacked first so no. Tough luck for you.

[sophisticles]

Both Microsoft and Apple do embargo Russia.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/03/04/microsoft-suspends-russia-sales-ukraine-conflict/

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/russian-businesses-get-shut-out-from-microsoft-cloud-services-at-the-end-of-this-month-new-eu-sanctions-come-into-effect

https://www.ft.com/content/8e5164dc-a907-4211-a58f-726c9342f372

Well, if Niger threatens the World and NATO countries with atomic warfare, occupies nuclear reactors in neighboring countries after sending military troops and some other stuff... I fully expcet them to get their ass handled to them, yes, this includes civilan people working in global critical infrastructure, too, of course, especially as they might be collaborateurs or have their family in hostage.

Not the same thing, what you talk about is not exporting products to Russia because of sanctions, which is soething they are required to do by law.

This is not about not exporting Linux to Russia, it's about not crediting Russian contributors.

If they do not want to credit Russian contributors then remove their code as well.

But keeping the code and not giving them credit for it is a slap in the face and low class.

[ddriver]

resisting an invasion.

Makes sense.

So you stand with Gaza I guess?

[ddriver]

Yes, the soviets excuse is of course much more plausible than whatever historians agree in consensus.

Typical Ukraine victimhood, and I guess it is completely atypical for the Russians to have expansionist wet dreams, really unheard of.

Oh yes, the historians that get paid to agree agree. That proves it. Figures!

See, I can't know what caused the famine, I wasn't there. I don't have a magical way of knowing what people say is true or not neither.

What I have is eyes to watch what's happening at the moment. And Ukraine's pro-western coup established quasi military dictatorship regime with an expired tv clown president just doesn't strike me as "concerned with the well-being of Ukraine and its people". Nato is shoveling them money and bombs, and they are abducting recruits off the streets, for a victory pretty much everyone agrees is impossible... dot dot dot

Would those fellas be capable of stealing grain and causing famine onto their own people, considering they will not only get paid for the stolen grain, but also get paid by Russia's enemies for creating unrest and blaming it on the central government. Yep, those same people that ran the camps and gave german nutzies the creeps, those totally-not-neo-nutzi incidentally having actual tattoos of AH fellas - a.k.a team "good".

Remember, the previous "bad Russian" guy - Yanukovich - he did NOT send the military against civilians and he did NOT start a civil war. It was the good guys, who also admitted to "accidentally" being the ones that actually shot protesters before the protests escalated. Started protests, killed people, executed a coup, started a civil war, sold out for war with Russia - an odd direction for a "free and independent Ukraine" to take of all the opportunities, they went for "a nato war proxy". I strongly doubt that decision was made with Ukraine's best interest at heart. They are clearly far more eager for war and desperate for escalation, so long as it tosses the bones and somehow the odds are in their favor, when Russia is pretty much cornered and forced to reluctantly engage.

This move was actually triggered by the EU's "alarming" economic and industrial growth - in large, enabled by deliveries of Russian energy. The EU as a puppet state, is not entitled to economically eclipse its master, so this long incubating plan of "Ukraine" was triggered to drive a wedge between Ru and the EU, to put back the EU where it "belongs". We all know the story - "someone" (most likely Putin) blew up the pipes, and the US caused a domestic fuel shortage to milk both ends - jack the domestic prices due to the shortage of selling grossly overpriced fuel to desperate EU which shuts off its industries and buys that sweet US energy just to keep the show through the winter...

[cb88]

Yes, causing and pushing a thermonuclear war by way of

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resisting an invasion.

Makes sense.

I mean giving a once nuclear super power back nuke or two to stop a war would... almost certainly stop the current conflict.

We just need to admit that we should not have completely disarmed Ukraine to begin with they had > 2000 nukes) and never would have been invaded if they even had 1 still.

[DumbFsck]

"typical Ukraine". If they don't cause a nuclear meltdown, they will be pushing for a thermonuclear war. One calamity after another...

Yes, causing and pushing a thermonuclear war by way of

*checks notes*

resisting an invasion.

Makes sense.

[DumbFsck]

Looking at present day Ukraine's action, it seems to excel at one thing - casually throwing its own people into the fray by the millions for a quick payout. The official Soviet story on the subject is "corrupt local officials stole and sold grain reserved for planting and covered it up by planting more sparsely hence the poor harvest" - and it doesn't sound all too implausible to be honest. What it sounds like is "typical Ukraine". If they don't cause a nuclear meltdown, they will be pushing for a thermonuclear war. One calamity after another...

Yes, the soviets excuse is of course much more plausible than whatever historians agree in consensus.

Typical Ukraine victimhood, and I guess it is completely atypical for the Russians to have expansionist wet dreams, really unheard of.

[ddriver]

Holodomor...

Looking at present day Ukraine's action, it seems to excel at one thing - casually throwing its own people into the fray by the millions for a quick payout. The official Soviet story on the subject is "corrupt local officials stole and sold grain reserved for planting and covered it up by planting more sparsely hence the poor harvest" - and it doesn't sound all too implausible to be honest. What it sounds like is "typical Ukraine". If they don't cause a nuclear meltdown, they will be pushing for a thermonuclear war. One calamity after another...

[acobar]

Thanks, makes sense then.

I don't want to stir any more troublesome arguments in this thread, but would add a last point, since you said you are from Ukraine.

I have no associations with Putin, or Zelensky or anyone from their country.

I feel really sorry about all lives lost in this horrible war, and the consequences of it the Ukrainians will have to endure on coming years. I'm atheist, and believe that for all lives, there is a one time, one existence, one opportunity, and it is really sad that throughout human history, we keep making things miserable to others.

There are two lines from movies that capture my feelings about wars and death:
- line from Unforgiven - "It's a hell of a thing, killing a man; You take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have." ~ William Munny;
- line from Troy - "I've killed men, and I've heard them dying, and I've watched them dying, and there's nothing glorious about it." ~ Hector.

Wish you well.

[DumbFsck]

North Korea is an outcast state because the USA murdered 10% of the Korean population in the Korea War.
The USA couldn't win the war, so they sanctioned them like they did with Cuba.
And the North Koreans are obviously not backing down from their position, because when someone murders 10% of all people you know, you do not easily bend over.

Of course you can write about how North Korea is a repressive dictatorship now, but do not forget how they got there. They are not an outcast state because of the dictatorship - otherwise Saudi Arabia would be as well and Ukraine would be as well (they abandoned elections officially this year in March and became a dictatorship).

I'm sure you also have a nuanced opinion on how the number of Ukrainians as an ethnicity decreased by 10% due to the Holodomor. And then about how even after the second world war many Ukrainian peasants were resettled to Siberia and central asia, and many ethnic Russians were incentivized through Russification policies to resettle into ukraine under the guise of spreading industrialisation.

So they also have a lot of reason to "not back down", as you say, since when all of this happens you won't easily bend over.

I'm also sure you have some position about the difference between dictatorship and democracy being nuanced for cases of suspended elections but with clear terms of time frame or conditions for them to be resumed, instead of some set up to eternally hold power through some means of succession...