Several Linux Kernel Driver Maintainers Removed Due To Their Association To Russia

[oiaohm]

Actually the correct term is "Kiev" not "Kyiv". The name of "Kiev" has been the correct spelling since its first mention in English language annals.

No wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv#Name

Kyiv is what you get when you translate the name from Ukrainian to English. Kiev is what you get when you translate from Russian to English majority of the time but not always. And the Russian is translated from Ukrainian because Kyiv exists as city before Russian exists as a language. Ukrainian as a language is older than Russian.

Київ is Ukrainian. Киев is the Russian. Yes when Київ was translated to Russian the i become e and that leads to translation mess.

By the way Kiev is wrong for Russian to english the romanized that the automatic translation of Киев give you "Kiyev" the early interactions with Russia in English over Kyiv used Kiyev the letter y was dropped to save on typing to make Kiev at some point. So no Kiev has not always been the correct spelling in fact most likely come into existence due to someone typing it wrong and going this is close enough. So yes Kiev most likely a very long used incorrect spelling.

Kyiv has always been the correct spelling when translating the Ukrainian name to English and this predates Russian. When translating the Russian name to English you have Kiyev and Kiev. Yes if a person does not automatic Киев and know to translate it as Kiev you get Kiyev every single time. All the way though the cold war and the time of the USSR russian documents translated to english are refering to Kyiv today with two names Kiyev and kiev and neither is technically incorrect spelling at the time this is like color and colour.

So sorry the English Language annals don't support your point. Yes because the Ukraine capital has 3 names in English Kyiv, Kiev and Kiyev. Yes Kiev is a miss translation just that been popular because its 1 letter shorter than the correct translation Kiyev for the Russian language. Yes that extra y also throws out document spacing by the way.

So so makes perfect sense now that Ukraine prime language has swap back to Ukrainian that the capital in English is Kyiv.

Yes you have Russians arguing over if the capital of Ukraine should be Kiev or kiyev all the way to to the end of the USSR there is a museum of city signs that have multi versions of both that happened over decades of the USSR. This is part why use Kyiv is not to have the problem of miss printed city signs due to the Kiev/Kiyev problem. Yes this gets costly.

[post-factum]

Actually the correct term is "Kiev" not "Kyiv". The name of "Kiev" has been the correct spelling since its first mention in English language annals.

The correct term is the one that is decided by the city and by the country themselves, and it is Kyiv.

[Conan-cimmerian]

I would honestly not care if North Korea wanted to maintain a kernel driver, providing it's of sufficient quality and they're not doing it to backdoor kernel subsystems, etc (I'm assuming good intentions here). The Acer Aspire 1 presumably doesn't have a maintainer anymore or one-less maintainer at that. As a user why should you care who is maintaining your hardware, providing they're doing a good job at it and aren't doing so for nefarious purposes.

I understand the issue at hand here, Russia could be using Acer Aspire 1 laptops in their war efforts against Ukraine and Linux refusing these patches could hamper them (it probably won't, but that's the theory behind the sanctions at least). A lot of other people use these laptops too though.

Russian devs are talented enough to be able to write their own patches for a hypothetical "Acer Aspire" if they wanted to. I don't really see what this restriction is supposed to achieve - the Russians can just fork the kernel and continue developing it themselves if they desire. This achieves nothing and simply make Linux look bad.

[Conan-cimmerian]

By similarly bizarre logic it is supposedly not worth accepting patches from American developers into the Linux kernel because their government has started an imperialist war in Iraq and many other countries, and now and always before that, they are helping Israel fight all its wars, despite Israel's genocide in Gaza and elsewhere. A programmer from any country who merely writes patches for the Linux kernel has no ability to control the government in his country or their army, so there is no reason to punish the programmer for the actions of his government, which he has absolutely no ability to influence in any way. This is all the more so since, under today's new Putin's laws, people receive actual criminal sentences from 8 years in prison for public anti-war statements. An anti-war rally may also end up in criminal penalties for the participants. There is no realistic possibility of electing any other government in Russia because all elections are always rigged and the vast majority of Russians always understand in advance that under any circumstances, only Putin's government will win any election, regardless of the fact that few actually support him in Russia. Under such circumstances there is no reason to punish the ordinary working people living in Russia who for the most part do not agree with Putin's government policies, do not agree with Putin's imperialist wars, but have no real ability to influence that government's policies or change it for any other government.

The elections in Italy are indicative, where a president who is opposed to the policies of the European Union won, but nevertheless, after her victory, arms supplies to Ukraine from Italy did not stop, because big business still benefits from these arms supplies.

Programmers and other hired labourers in the USA or any other country have no possibility to control political actions of the state of their country, so they should not be held responsible and punished for the actions of their government. Elections in the USA are in fact elections without real choice and without possibility to change essentially the policy of the American state, because all presidents are only talking heads acting within the framework of interests of increasing profits of big business. All election campaigns are conducted with the money of one or another corporation, and presidents do not have the ability to pursue a policy completely independent of the interests of corporations. Therefore, changing the president will not significantly change the policy of the state, much less improve the social position of the working class. You are simply given the illusion of choice in order to fool you every time with false promises of big changes in case of victory of this or that presidential candidate, when in fact you have no real opportunity to choose the future policy of the state in your country. In this way the big business ruling class shifts the focus of your attention to choosing between two bad presidential candidates instead of the class struggle, instead of the fight against capitalism and any political repression, instead of the fight for freedom of speech, real democracy for working class people, instead of the fight for proletarian revolution and international communism.

Actually polls after polls (even by Western organizations), say that Putin has widespread social support. Especially amongst older citizens and those of lower socioeconomic classes.

[Conan-cimmerian]

Dr. Goebbels, relogin, please. Also, it's Kyiv, not Kiev.

Actually the correct term is "Kiev" not "Kyiv". The name of "Kiev" has been the correct spelling since its first mention in English language annals.

[sophisticles]

So if you refuse to lock your door, the thief is not guilty at all for breaking into your house? WTF?

Yeah, it's your fault for being incompetent, but you did nothing illegal.

The thief is guilty but that doesn't mean you don't take all necessary precautions when you know an attack is imminent.

If the allegations that Israeli leadership knew what was going to happen and they let it so they would have a pretense to launch the war are true, they have Jewish blood on their hands just like Hamas does.

That's the only way they learn.

Eye-for-an-eye and tit-for-that doesn't work as it will lead to continuous back-and-forth revenge.

There are many in Israel that feel they create their own enemies.

Make no mistake, Israel will have the upper hand for years thanks to the military action they have undertaken, but the Palestinian people will not forget, they will tell their children and grandchildren and this will become part of their identity.

Eventually a new militant group will rise up, better equipped with better planning and in about 10 years they will set off a dirty bomb in Israel.

That's assuming of course that Israel isn't stupid enough to launch a full scale attack on Iran, we were told 6 month ago that Iran was 2 weeks away from a nuclear weapon, if Israel does attack Iran, they may find that they live to regret it.

Netanyahu is the worst thing that ever happened to Israel.

[Weasel]

This is a bit disingenuous.

Hamas attacked on Oct 7 2023 but there are ample reports that Israel knew it was going to happen and let it. There was an Israel analyst that warned the colonel in charge of security in that region what Hamas was planning, including the phrase they would be shouting as they breached security and the Israelis ignored her.

So if you refuse to lock your door, the thief is not guilty at all for breaking into your house? WTF?

Yeah, it's your fault for being incompetent, but you did nothing illegal.

There is no question that the attack on Oct 7 was a horrible thing and a response was warranted, but the Israeli response is akin to someone punching you in the face so you kill his whole family.

That's the only way they learn.

Eye-for-an-eye and tit-for-that doesn't work as it will lead to continuous back-and-forth revenge.

[sophisticles]

Hamas attacked first so no. Tough luck for you.

This is a bit disingenuous.

Hamas attacked on Oct 7 2023 but there are ample reports that Israel knew it was going to happen and let it. There was an Israel analyst that warned the colonel in charge of security in that region what Hamas was planning, including the phrase they would be shouting as they breached security and the Israelis ignored her.

There is also ample proof that the Mossad has infiltrated Arab terrorist organizations and frankly may have been stoking the feelings of resentment found in many Palestinian people.

I think Netanyahu was looking for a way to deflect attention from all his legal problems, including his indictment, and found the perfect patsies.

There is no question that the attack on Oct 7 was a horrible thing and a response was warranted, but the Israeli response is akin to someone punching you in the face so you kill his whole family.

[karjala]

Lunduke's take is that this 2002 law is responsible (and not the Linux Foundation): https://lunduke.substack.com/p/sanct...kernel-russian

[moonwalker]

Oh, the wrong user on this forum has the name DumbF**k... You don't get to take the historic events apart and re-arrange their causal connections however you want to fit your narrative. You don't get to ignore Russia's expansionist attitudes that go centuries back and still exist even now when many other countries abandoned theirs and then blame Russian aggression on those other countries asking to join NATO out of fear of Russia. You don't get to call a civil war something that didn't start until Russia sent their forces into Crimea and Donbass (led by Igor Girkin, among others, who publicly admitted that he was the one that started the bloodshed in Ukraine). You can say dumb shit all you want, but just because you say so doesn't make it so.

Oh yes, the historians that get paid to agree agree. That proves it. Figures!

You should also go with this attitude to the doctors. That may end up very helpful to the average IQ of the Earth's population.

See, I can't know what caused the famine, I wasn't there. I don't have a magical way of knowing what people say is true or not neither.

This is actually the smartest phrase in your whole post. Except there is plenty documented evidence what the cause was - soviet government taking too much grain from Ukrainian farmers (and, admittedly, not only - there were other regions that had similar famine). But the worst part wasn't the famine itself, it was how soviets responded to people simply trying to survive. A farmer took just a handful of grain he grew to feed his kids instead of giving it all up to the government - get a bullet to the head. Really nice guys those soviets were.

What I have is eyes to watch what's happening at the moment. And Ukraine's pro-western coup established quasi military dictatorship regime with an expired tv clown president just doesn't strike me as "concerned with the well-being of Ukraine and its people". Nato is shoveling them money and bombs, and they are abducting recruits off the streets, for a victory pretty much everyone agrees is impossible... dot dot dot

You can have the eyes and still be blind. The TV clown you're talking about (no love for him from me, by the way, though he did gain my respect - I expected he'd run away if and when the missiles start falling) wasn't even in politics until four years after what you call "pro-western coup", and what all my family and friends call Revolution of Dignity, overthrowing a piece of shit Yanukovich not because he was "bad Russian" (he was bad, but he was Ukrainian just like us), but because he was a thieving bastard misusing people's tax money at the cost of country's future. And once Zelensky did enter politics, he tried really hard to jail Poroshenko, who actually was taking part in Revolution of Dignity, and there were plenty people in Ukraine who would be happy if he succeeded to jail him. And almost right up until Russia's invasion in 2022 Zelensky kept talking about needing to "just stop shooting" and otherwise trying to stop the war, except good luck stopping an assault by asking your assailant nicely to stop punching you in the face and twisting a knife in your guts.

Would those fellas be capable of stealing grain and causing famine onto their own people, considering they will not only get paid for the stolen grain, but also get paid by Russia's enemies for creating unrest and blaming it on the central government. Yep, those same people that ran the camps and gave german nutzies the creeps, those totally-not-neo-nutzi incidentally having actual tattoos of AH fellas - a.k.a team "good".

This is just pure idiocy - making shit up with zero evidence and expecting people it eat it up just because "nazis are bad". Also, conveniently ignoring the fact there no fewer neo-nazis among Russians, with tattoos and all. And yes, for the record - nazis are indeed bad, though some people stop being dumbf**ks as they grow older.

Remember, the previous "bad Russian" guy - Yanukovich - he did NOT send the military against civilians and he did NOT start a civil war. It was the good guys, who also admitted to "accidentally" being the ones that actually shot protesters before the protests escalated. Started protests, killed people, executed a coup, started a civil war, sold out for war with Russia - an odd direction for a "free and independent Ukraine" to take of all the opportunities, they went for "a nato war proxy". I strongly doubt that decision was made with Ukraine's best interest at heart. They are clearly far more eager for war and desperate for escalation, so long as it tosses the bones and somehow the odds are in their favor, when Russia is pretty much cornered and forced to reluctantly engage.

One fundamental fact wrong - while it is still unclear who in Yanukovich's government gave the order, it was Yanukovich's government that ordered Berkut to come out and disperse the (completely peaceful right up until that moment) pro-EU protesters at any cost to install New Year's decorations instead, and that "any cost" ended up beating the crap out of mostly bunch of students. It was that event that put everything on escalation trajectory. Had police never come - the protest was already losing steam by then, everything would've ended up peacefully.

This move was actually triggered by the EU's "alarming" economic and industrial growth - in large, enabled by deliveries of Russian energy. The EU as a puppet state, is not entitled to economically eclipse its master, so this long incubating plan of "Ukraine" was triggered to drive a wedge between Ru and the EU, to put back the EU where it "belongs". We all know the story - "someone" (most likely Putin) blew up the pipes, and the US caused a domestic fuel shortage to milk both ends - jack the domestic prices due to the shortage of selling grossly overpriced fuel to desperate EU which shuts off its industries and buys that sweet US energy just to keep the show through the winter...

This move was actually triggered by Pootin being a power-hungry d**khead that wants to be a next tzar of all Russia and it's former colonies.