Systemd 256.1 Fixes "systemd-tmpfiles" Unexpectedly Deleting Your /home Directory

[varikonniemi]

how surprising it's a microsoft engineer advocating for this behavior.

[xAlt7x]

Haters gona hate , thats how techonogy will be improved. If you dont like systemd just dont use it

How do you comment on the toxic responce of the Microsoft person?
This only proves that the Code of Conduct is applied very selectively...

[acobar]

I don't know what is more impressive, the stupidity of the default behavior, or the brazen comments of one of the systemd developers. If I was a project leader, I would not trust anything coded by that guy.

I believe that systemd is way better than what we had before, but the cavalier attitudes of some of its developers are depreciative to the project, and have been this way since the beginning, despite the multiple problems we had with it.

[cynic]

I don't know what is more impressive, the stupidity of the default behavior, or the brazen comments of one of the systemd developers. If I was a project leader, I would not trust anything coded by that guy.

I believe that systemd is way better than what we had before, but the cavalier attitudes of some of its developers are depreciative to the project, and have been this way since the beginning, despite the multiple problems we had with it.

I do agree with condaming the behaviour of the dev but, in his defense, systemd devs are continuosly subject to attack: I can somewhat understand their nervousness.

[klara]

Remember the suspend-then-hibernate thing? This is what Luca Boccassi wrote then:

Nah, supporting setups that can lead to data loss is a bad idea. As said above, this can be achieved just the same with InaccessiblePaths, at one own's risk.

Personally, I have hit a few other (old or new) issues lately, some examples reported by others:

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11384

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/28439

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1739689

Most of these have been fixed or can be worked around, but it's still irritating. I've migrated most of my systems back to OpenRC for now which at least is more predictable, I'll see how long that lasts.

[varikonniemi]

how stupid of you puny user of not knowing tmpfiles purging results in wiping the home directory!

[V1tol]

Remembered me of classics https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-...ned/issues/123

[Morty]

Why is no one actually addressing the real problem this issue highlights:
"Including the /home that is created by systemd-tmpfiles' home.conf. "

What kind of stupidity is this?
Why are a function or command to create temp-files used to create /home? WTF?

Is this done by a distribution or bad system administrators, or is this intended or recommended way from the systemd developers/projects?

If it's the first, a note on the spesific distro had been nice. To avoid something made by incompetents.

If it's the second, the systemd developers are even worse than I thought and they deserves much worse than he comments in this tread.
That is beyond stupid!

[Citan]

Microsoft level of stupidity achieved! Dumbisticles must be proud.

Yup. Something like...

"So an option that is literally documented as saying "all files and directories created by a tmpfiles.d/ entry will be deleted", that you knew nothing about, sounded like a "good idea"? Did you even go and look what tmpfiles.d entries you had beforehand?"

Which could be translated as "if a bit of code I contributed upon that supposedly deletes TEMPORARY files does not even cover the most basic data-securing practices as in raising a warning or outright refusing to act without explicit option like the 40+ year-old rm... Then it is definitely the fault of the user for having any remote trust and faith that the tool has been thought through".

Or as in "I won't admit I just messed up big time because I forgot to think when I coded, so I'm gonna put this on the user as usual"...

Could only come from a guy "good enough" to be hired by MS when that kind of toxic, irresponsible mindset manifests that strongly.
I guess all the lasting problems in Windows don't come from nowhere. xd

[Adarion]

Lennartware-fanboys: "It's a feature, not a bug!"

> systemd developer Luca Boccassi of Microsoft ...

Yeah, certainly.

This happens when complexity rises, esp. for something that you integrate deeply into the system. Some little typo, misconfiguration, some not-anticipated-case while coding... and here we have the outcome.