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  • Originally posted by Panix View Post
    No, you're the one who needs to open your eyes and find a place to get red-pilled and cut the indoctrination chains.
    Discover how the Commission strives to build a Union of Equality, free of discrimination based on gender, race, religion, disability, age or sexual orientation.

    This is all woke bs - same as the USA. Wake up, doofus!
    Wake up doofus youself.

    UK left the EU before all that EU woke garbage.

    UK laws do not agree with the EU 2020 and later woke rules. Those EU 2020 and latter woke rules are in fact illegal to implement in the UK. Countries who legal system is based on the UK legal system like USA, Australia, Canada.... its also illegal. There is a issue with court enforcement of their own laws some of these countries.

    Panix woke trash like it or not is a crime in many countries where DEI is in fact legal. Lot of woke crap would go away if courts just did the,

    States Parties recognize that all persons are equal before and under the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law.​


    1, States Parties recognize that all persons are equal before and under the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law.

    2. States Parties shall prohibit all discrimination on the basis of disability and guarantee to persons with disabilities equal and effective legal protection against discrimination on all grounds.

    3. In order to promote equality and eliminate discrimination, States Parties shall take all appropriate steps to ensure that reasonable accommodation is provided.

    4. Specific measures which are necessary to accelerate or achieve de facto equality of persons with disabilities shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of the present Convention.​
    Panix notice here UK laws follow UN conventions. This is just segment out of one convention. UN conventions on this are basically the same. All state you cannot take specific measures to address disadvantage without being able to prove that the action is necessary/beneficial.

    Yes the majority EU stuff since 2020 are breaches UN conventions and these are conventions countries have agreed to put into their laws. Yes majority of that 2020 and latter stuff in the EU is in fact illegal under the laws of the countries in the EU.

    Yes you hear people say go woke go broke but In reality if the laws on the book was enforced it should be go woke go to jail because woke actions are committing crimes in most countries. Yes these laws should equal quite a percentage political leaders who voted for that EU 2020 and latter stuff going to jail for discrimination under their own countries laws if the countries laws were enforced and these are laws the UN and UK put different countries legal systems.

    Why is the UN in conventions so critical on the necessary/beneficial part its because of past interactions with first nations and the like around the world where people got the idea of lets take kids away from parents and educated them and the like. Woke actions in a lot of ways are no different to the clergy who did the stolen generation in Australia.

    I personally would love to see those doing this woke garbage have the full force of the law land on them. Yes I am hoping at the moment redhat/ibm loses their case in the USA for being racist against white people and maybe people start waking up how much of this woke garbage is just illegal actions that should be prosecuted and is legally not allowed.

    This is why I say DEI and Woke are different. Woke actions is 99% illegal . Fake DEI is illegal. DEI as per the original meaning is in fact legal. The reality is the true DEI protects everyone fairly.

    We should not be allowing woke people to attempt to hide their illegal actions behind a legally allow item being DEI.

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    • Originally posted by krzyzowiec View Post
      What's an "under-served" person?
      That a good question. Most English dictionary don't have -
      provided with inadequate service… See the full definition

      The reality here you should never used race or minority groups to when asking that question. Why should this be answered by communities as the biggest unit. Communities are a geographical area where services could have been poorly provided so people from that community was underserved with services and the like so being disadvantaged.

      Yes UN conventions and base UK law(that lot of countries have as the base to their legal system) means this should not be race or minority groups.

      To be correct a under-served person you should be able to prove that they were under-served in someway. Like the town they came from only had basic education and they did not have the wealth or opportunity to get higher education. Just because an area is 99% 1 race does mean the 1% of other races in that area that were not getting the service should not be also labeled as under-served persons.

      Lot of the woke problem is painting way too broad of brush. So providing advantage to those who have had no disadvantage at all based on race, sex....

      Using racism and bigotry is a lazy, illegal and invalid process to work out if someone is a "under-served" person or not. Yes its horrible to have to read every individual back history to work out if they are a under-served person on not but that what you should be legally doing.

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      • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

        Wake up doofus youself.

        UK left the EU before all that EU woke garbage.

        UK laws do not agree with the EU 2020 and later woke rules. Those EU 2020 and latter woke rules are in fact illegal to implement in the UK. Countries who legal system is based on the UK legal system like USA, Australia, Canada.... its also illegal. There is a issue with court enforcement of their own laws some of these countries.

        Panix woke trash like it or not is a crime in many countries where DEI is in fact legal. Lot of woke crap would go away if courts just did the,

        States Parties recognize that all persons are equal before and under the law and are entitled without any discrimination to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law.​




        Panix notice here UK laws follow UN conventions. This is just segment out of one convention. UN conventions on this are basically the same. All state you cannot take specific measures to address disadvantage without being able to prove that the action is necessary/beneficial.

        Yes the majority EU stuff since 2020 are breaches UN conventions and these are conventions countries have agreed to put into their laws. Yes majority of that 2020 and latter stuff in the EU is in fact illegal under the laws of the countries in the EU.

        Yes you hear people say go woke go broke but In reality if the laws on the book was enforced it should be go woke go to jail because woke actions are committing crimes in most countries. Yes these laws should equal quite a percentage political leaders who voted for that EU 2020 and latter stuff going to jail for discrimination under their own countries laws if the countries laws were enforced and these are laws the UN and UK put different countries legal systems.

        Why is the UN in conventions so critical on the necessary/beneficial part its because of past interactions with first nations and the like around the world where people got the idea of lets take kids away from parents and educated them and the like. Woke actions in a lot of ways are no different to the clergy who did the stolen generation in Australia.

        I personally would love to see those doing this woke garbage have the full force of the law land on them. Yes I am hoping at the moment redhat/ibm loses their case in the USA for being racist against white people and maybe people start waking up how much of this woke garbage is just illegal actions that should be prosecuted and is legally not allowed.

        This is why I say DEI and Woke are different. Woke actions is 99% illegal . Fake DEI is illegal. DEI as per the original meaning is in fact legal. The reality is the true DEI protects everyone fairly.

        We should not be allowing woke people to attempt to hide their illegal actions behind a legally allow item being DEI.
        Well, then you're an idiot in denial. Period. Here's the UK situation - yep, just the same, doofus.

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        • Originally posted by Panix View Post
          Well, then you're an idiot in denial. Period. Here's the UK situation - yep, just the same, doofus.
          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/di...rl/ar-BB1n545Z
          Jeremy Carl is a Senior Fellow at the Claremont Institute, where his primary focus is on immigration, multiculturalism, and nationalism in America.   Prior to joining Claremont, Jeremy worked for a decade as a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, serving as a policy advisor to many national political figures. While at […]

          Garbage piece writen by US guy claiming how the UK system is working.



          UK Diversity courses​ are very different to USA ones on. Notice the first section of any UK Diversity course is the law and your legal responsibilities. You find the USA courses mention the law but not the legal responsibilities.

          Yes the legal responsibilities means implement DEI need to be fair and impartial other wise you are not doing it by the law and that drummed into people in UK diversity courses. The UN rules are not drum in with the USA courses either.

          The UK situation is in fact different. There have been many cases in the UK court system where discrimination against whites have end up with companies shut down.

          Panix you see this in the USA where UK and others have to be doing it the same without in fact looking closer to notice important key differences in the UK course to the USA one. Yes mandatory teaching of fair and impartial in the UK diversity courses make their courses very different to the USA diversity courses with this is optional to be taught.

          Yes what Jeremy Carl did to you there was cause you not to look at the UK side correct and notice o hell the USA education system content in diversity courses is lacking key parts so causing illegal woke outcomes in the USA to be way more common than other places with better quality diversity courses.

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          • Originally posted by kpedersen View Post

            https://sources.debian.org/stats/
            • C - 41%
            • C++ - 25.7%
            • Others - Equally ~5%
            In the industry, you do tend to see more Java/.NET.
            Often in the industry, people will try and stick with one language because it is what they know. They fit the language to the problem, while I prefer fitting the problem to the language. Actually learned different languages to solve the problem because it is a better fit. Example, if I needed to write an iOS application, I will learn swift and possibly objective C. Don't know either nor tried them. Same with frameworks.

            Past year along include C#, Pascal, SQL, HTML, CSS, python, powershell, bash, GO, AutoIT, LaTex, and some Domain-specific Languages (DSL). Main solution I get paid for is written in C# because that is what the previous developer knew. Project actual scope solution should have been QT with C++ as the base.

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            • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

              Jeremy Carl is a Senior Fellow at the Claremont Institute, where his primary focus is on immigration, multiculturalism, and nationalism in America.   Prior to joining Claremont, Jeremy worked for a decade as a research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, serving as a policy advisor to many national political figures. While at […]

              Garbage piece writen by US guy claiming how the UK system is working.



              UK Diversity courses​ are very different to USA ones on. Notice the first section of any UK Diversity course is the law and your legal responsibilities. You find the USA courses mention the law but not the legal responsibilities.

              Yes the legal responsibilities means implement DEI need to be fair and impartial other wise you are not doing it by the law and that drummed into people in UK diversity courses. The UN rules are not drum in with the USA courses either.

              The UK situation is in fact different. There have been many cases in the UK court system where discrimination against whites have end up with companies shut down.

              Panix you see this in the USA where UK and others have to be doing it the same without in fact looking closer to notice important key differences in the UK course to the USA one. Yes mandatory teaching of fair and impartial in the UK diversity courses make their courses very different to the USA diversity courses with this is optional to be taught.

              Yes what Jeremy Carl did to you there was cause you not to look at the UK side correct and notice o hell the USA education system content in diversity courses is lacking key parts so causing illegal woke outcomes in the USA to be way more common than other places with better quality diversity courses.
              Nah, you're the one with the garbage posts - either totally delusional or an outright liar. Either one is bad and I think worth ignoring.

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              • Originally posted by Panix View Post
                Nah, you're the one with the garbage posts - either totally delusional or an outright liar. Either one is bad and I think worth ignoring.
                An employment tribunal ruled Cheshire Police had used "positive action" against Matthew Furlong.

                Panix the UK course are different to the USA course mostly because the UK court court system is ahead of the USA one. Lot of woke stuff is simple illegal and the UK courts have already processed this.

                UK courts ruled that person must be employed on merit. Only when people have equal merit can race or other factors come into play not before. Do note that above case in the UK is 2019. The first case in the USA is the redhat case and that this year so USA DEI training is 5 years behind UK DEI training.

                Panix the reality here DEI around the world are not all at the same point. Some places are more ahead and legal processing of what DEI is. DEI is not woke. DEI done by law protects everyone from unfair treatment. Woke there is a lot of illegal unfair treatment.

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                • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
                  DEI is meant to be three words. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Equity is "fair and impartial".
                  Equity is not fairness, equity is equalness. The word Equity in this context refers to equalization of results, which is inherently unfair and partial; and in this case it is partial to the race and other immutable characteristics of the people involved. Equity, in this context (American managerial jargon) is achieved when people in preferred racial, sex, and sexual orientation groups receive unearned structural advantages at the deliberate expense of non-preferred groups.

                  Fairness would be setting up the conditions for people to earn benefits from their effort and talents, and impartiality would hopefully include not being partial to race and sex.

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                  • Originally posted by microcode View Post

                    Equity is not fairness, equity is equalness. The word Equity in this context refers to equalization of results, which is inherently unfair and partial; and in this case it is partial to the race and other immutable characteristics of the people involved. Equity, in this context (American managerial jargon) is achieved when people in preferred racial, sex, and sexual orientation groups receive unearned structural advantages at the deliberate expense of non-preferred groups.

                    Fairness would be setting up the conditions for people to earn benefits from their effort and talents, and impartiality would hopefully include not being partial to race and sex.
                    But, that doesn't happen with the DEI system and agenda that it coincides with. That guy you replied to is emphasizing that the only region or country that is implementing a woke/"unfair" DEI system is the USA and that (for e.g.) the UK has laws in place to prevent/avoid that - which is a fabrication and nonsense. He keeps insisting and the fact that someone could be so brain dead to interpret it that way is scary - especially, if there's more like him around. It just enables the unfair and partiality while continuing the inherent agenda therein.

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                    • Originally posted by microcode View Post
                      Equity, in this context (American managerial jargon) is achieved when people in preferred racial, sex, and sexual orientation groups receive unearned structural advantages at the deliberate expense of non-preferred groups.
                      There is a court case at the moment with Redhat at the moment.
                      Top Trump lieutenant Stephen Miller hopes to skewer Big Blue's Linux slinger on behalf of ex-director

                      Then in 2023


                      microcode the USA courts have ruled that what you call the American managerial jargon define if Equity is not the USA courts define of Equity and is in fact illegal define that USA management need to be pulled though the USA courts for using like what has already happened in the UK Management in UK courts.

                      Equity is "fair and impartial".
                      This is the USA courts define and the UK courts define. There is a issue of what you described where American management is not use the define the USA courts say they should.

                      Originally posted by Panix View Post
                      But, that doesn't happen with the DEI system and agenda that it coincides with. That guy you replied to is emphasizing that the only region or country that is implementing a woke/"unfair" DEI system is the USA and that (for e.g.) the UK has laws in place to prevent/avoid that - which is a fabrication and nonsense.
                      That not what I have wrote. UK and USA have the same laws here because the USA got them from the UK legal system. Difference is the UK courts have already enforced them over 5 years ago. USA courts are only starting the complete enforcement process in the last few years. Then it takes a few years for this enforcement to trickle down into management education programs then a few more years after that for legal define to come commonly applied to staff. This is just how it works.

                      Panix the DEI system in law is different to the DEI agenda you are talking about. Lot of what you call DEI agenda is fake DEI under Law. Yes fake DEI is illegal and companies and education places using it need to be prosecuted..​

                      Woke and DEI is different things. DEI is a code into law thing that you are either doing DEI as per law or you are breaking law end of story.

                      Something to remember DEI in law around the world is clear what would be illegal to-do against a minority is also illegal to-do against a majority because the DEI laws don't define what is a minority or a majority when it comes to treatment.

                      Fake DEI ignores the law. Fake DEI trys to make out that Majorities don't have have the right to use the discrimination laws that DEI has put into law that is not the case. Yes a person in the majority has just as much right to use discrimination laws as a person in the minority.
                      Last edited by oiaohm; 28 May 2024, 08:20 PM.

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