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  • Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
    How about someone that has William's Syndrome and Epilepsy, should they be allowed to be a Secret Service agent?
    There have been secret service agents with Epilepsy, Yes many of those have been dog handlers that are used to search areas before events. Yes the dog is both bomb detection and epilepsy monitoring item. Yes the person with Epilepsy who need dog to monitor their condition has a vested interest to keep the dog in good condition more than a person without a medical condition that makes them dependent on the dog. Now I not hear of any with William's Syndrome but I would not rule out one existing. There are many different roles that Secret Service agents do if you fit a role and your medical condition will not be interference in that role they will employ you for it..

    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
    For instance, the same guy in a wheelchair, do you want him to be a cop? Or a firefighter? Or a paramedic?
    Again not all cops, firefighters or paramedics jobs require usable legs. Cops in wheelchairs comms and internet crimes and finical crimes. Wheelchair firefighters the paperwork and comms. Wheelchair paramedic paperwork and comms and inventory management.

    Now a wheelchair person doing those jobs means you are not consuming an able body person doing those jobs. This is why DEI done right is advantage because you are not over allocating resources. If tasks can be done by person in wheelchair this frees up a person who not in wheelchair to-do other tasks. Also person in wheelchair is more likely todo the paper work jobs correctly than one not because they will not be interrupted as much due to being in a wheelchair so not able to do pulled away to do as many other tasks. Yes paperwork is important that cops/firefighters/paramedics have the equipment on hand to-do their job. Exactly what is the use if a cop/firefighter/paramedic turns up to a job without the gear they need because they have been busy so have failed to do the forms to request the new supplies.

    This is where diversity of correctly done DEI comes in. The diversity means you have people assigned to jobs that they are going to complete because their focus will not be split if you do it right. Yes the limitations of being disabled if you are being assigned to the right role is in fact advantage to get that role in fact done due to those limitations limiting what the person can be distracted by.

    sophisticles the reality is you do want a percentage of cops/firefighters/paramedics who are unable to do front line work that do the back-end work to keep everything moving smoothly of course those back-end people can be disabled and in a lot of cases this is in fact advantage to get this important work done.​

    Here is the thing ~10 percent of the population is in wheelchairs about ~60 percent of work is in fact office jobs. So there are tones of jobs people in wheelchairs can do and in reality that in a lot of cases they can do better. Take a cop about half of all tasks they need to-do involve document handling/office work. So about 50% of a cop jobs that need doing can be done by a person in a wheelchair. So a wheelchair cop 100 percent on paperwork allows at least 2 other able body cops to be 5% paper work 95% doing the other tasks.(yes they cannot get out of writing reports). So over the 3 cops having 3 able body would have less hours of cops on the beat vs 1 cop in wheelchair and 2 able bodies.

    There is a force multiplier in productivity having a wheelchair cop on paper work who can not be pulled off it because they are in wheelchair by having cops spending more hours on beat and the like than they could other wise. Yes being disrupted when doing paperwork means you waste time when you come back to work out where you were up-to the person in wheelchair does not have this problem as much because they are not getting disrupted as much.

    It really does not make sense not to take advantage of people in wheelchairs in the correct roles.
    Last edited by oiaohm; 25 May 2024, 08:17 PM.

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    • Originally posted by microcode View Post
      5 year plan to dump engineering money into professional racism and line the pockets of everyone except engineers... basically exactly what I expected.
      you are a legent... you 100% did get it right.

      the big question is why do these people do this to us ? looks like we are in some form of civil war.

      the money nobility do sapotage us because they want to scare away people from open-source solutions and make them want to use closed source solutions like microsoft or this crap of microsoft-snap-ubuntu. centralized SaaS scam to milk for every sale in their shop..
      Phantom circuit Sequence Reducer Dyslexia

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      • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

        The thing people get wrong here is that not only does it promote racism against those who don't benefit it also promotes racism against those who do benefit. There is no party who is not going to have a racism problem from fake DEI.

        Yes some of the Trump MAGA follows are a good examples of this how fake DEI can make people racist.

        DEI tainted with racist/bigot ideas is harmful for all.

        I wrote this for a reason. What you call fake DEI is harmful to all in the long term. "positive discrimination" is absolutely not valid DEI. You see someone being positive discriminated for by race and you are not that race you now have a higher risk of being racist against the "positive discrimination race". Yes racist because of positive discrimination happens in horrible ways that a person has worked hard in their job and done a great job just because they are a "positive discrimination race" when they apply for a job their successes are classed as not as important because the person doing the placement has a racist bias due to the "positive discrimination" the person may have got even in cases the person did not get the help.

        Reality if it was only a waste of resources this would be one thing. Increase the risk that particular races could get attacked in the street and so on happens because of fake DEI. So fake DEI harmful to the point of being possible being lethal to particular individuals.

        Equity part of DEI is very important without Equity you don't have DEI and you are just making mess that going to backfire causing harmful events to happen that some are going to result in death. Diversity and Inclusion without Equity is path to failure and dead humans.

        Basically we should want DEI done strictly to what it defines this include getting Equity right. We should hate all the fake forms of DEI because long term they will bring harm to you with no exception.
        What you two dolts don't understand is that EVERY company who has 'utilized' this 'DEI' have become this 'evil' (as you both describe it) side and ironically issued woke policies. They are not separate and never will be.

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        • Originally posted by Panix View Post
          What you two dolts don't understand is that EVERY company who has 'utilized' this 'DEI' have become this 'evil' (as you both describe it) side and ironically issued woke policies. They are not separate and never will be.
          DEI is meant to be three words. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Equity is "fair and impartial".

          Woke policies are not in fact DEI.

          Panix many countries around the world have DEI encoded into the countries laws and don't have companies implementing woke things in fact woke things that have happened in the USA in some of the other countries over 20 years ago land in court as simply illegal.

          Yes most USA company woke policies are in fact illegal under usa law. Including using quotes for particular groups to be employed. Pure correct DEI is legal under USA law. They are different things.



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          • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

            DEI is meant to be three words. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Equity is "fair and impartial".

            Woke policies are not in fact DEI.

            Panix many countries around the world have DEI encoded into the countries laws and don't have companies implementing woke things in fact woke things that have happened in the USA in some of the other countries over 20 years ago land in court as simply illegal.

            Yes most USA company woke policies are in fact illegal under usa law. Including using quotes for particular groups to be employed. Pure correct DEI is legal under USA law. They are different things.
            YES, THEY ARE. You're totally delusional and fooling yourself. I can find a handful of sites and company 'directives' promoting DEI - and when you get down to it, at its core, it's woke polices. There's also organizations like the WEF at the front and center promoting DEI. You're getting tiresome, btw - someone who promotes it to that extent is obviously a brainwashed, indoctrinated sheep.

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            • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post
              DEI is meant to be three words. Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Equity is "fair and impartial".

              Woke policies are not in fact DEI.

              Panix many countries around the world have DEI encoded into the countries laws and don't have companies implementing woke things in fact woke things that have happened in the USA in some of the other countries over 20 years ago land in court as simply illegal.

              Yes most USA company woke policies are in fact illegal under usa law. Including using quotes for particular groups to be employed. Pure correct DEI is legal under USA law. They are different things.
              Equity is by definition not fair and impartial...

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              • Originally posted by Panix View Post
                YES, THEY ARE. You're totally delusional and fooling yourself. I can find a handful of sites and company 'directives' promoting DEI
                There is a problem here.

                British employers are also required to first find evidence that certain groups are underrepresented before taking positive action, said Berkeley Wilde, chief executive at DEI consultant The Diversity Trust. Only then can organizations introduce initiatives to address that imbalance, such as using training and mentoring to increase the number of candidates for a role.
                As you look at DEI around the world they are not all the same. Woke polices don't get off the ground in the UK in most cases because they are illegal.

                Notice the training and mentoring bit to increase candidates not that the selection of candidates will be changed.

                The reality woke and DEI are not the same thing. You have countries with DEI and no Woke polices by their companies. Yes doing quotes or attempting to employ based on race, disability or so on in the UK are all not allowed. Positive action in the UK is strictly limited. UK you cannot get a job legally because of your race/gender... instead you have to get job on merit.

                Panix I have looked at a few thousand companies around the world DEI polices. Some countries those polices are true to core of DEI and are merit based employment. Others are fake DEI that do no one any good. The fake DEI is where you find the woke crap.

                Also don't let names fool you. WEF "World economic forum" what a joke its members are all USA companies. WEF go and promote items that are in fact illegal under USA law.

                Woke is so bad in the USA because the USA court system is basically busted and is unable to enforce the law of the land.

                Panix get your backside outside the USA for a bit.

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                • Originally posted by Quackdoc View Post
                  Equity is by definition not fair and impartial...
                  No that not the case. equity noun (FAIRNESS) and law following it.



                  Quackdoc think DEI was formed by a USA legal ruling the definition you are meant to use for Equity is fair and impartial.

                  the situation in which everyone is treated fairly according to their needs and no group of people is given special treatment
                  equity all the different form of it for fairness lead you straight back to fair and impartial.

                  Equity is very important part of DEI to be done right. Yes that idea of employment quotas does not agree with Equity.

                  People like to forget the real define of Equity and that allows DEI to go off the rails.

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                  • Originally posted by oiaohm View Post

                    There is a problem here.



                    As you look at DEI around the world they are not all the same. Woke polices don't get off the ground in the UK in most cases because they are illegal.

                    Notice the training and mentoring bit to increase candidates not that the selection of candidates will be changed.

                    The reality woke and DEI are not the same thing. You have countries with DEI and no Woke polices by their companies. Yes doing quotes or attempting to employ based on race, disability or so on in the UK are all not allowed. Positive action in the UK is strictly limited. UK you cannot get a job legally because of your race/gender... instead you have to get job on merit.

                    Panix I have looked at a few thousand companies around the world DEI polices. Some countries those polices are true to core of DEI and are merit based employment. Others are fake DEI that do no one any good. The fake DEI is where you find the woke crap.

                    Also don't let names fool you. WEF "World economic forum" what a joke its members are all USA companies. WEF go and promote items that are in fact illegal under USA law.

                    Woke is so bad in the USA because the USA court system is basically busted and is unable to enforce the law of the land.

                    Panix get your backside outside the USA for a bit.
                    No, you're the one who needs to open your eyes and find a place to get red-pilled and cut the indoctrination chains.
                    Discover how the Commission strives to build a Union of Equality, free of discrimination based on gender, race, religion, disability, age or sexual orientation.

                    This is all woke bs - same as the USA. Wake up, doofus!

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                    • What's an "under-served" person?

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