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  • This Year Microsoft Embraced eBPF, Debuted CBL-Mariner, Continued With WSL Features

    Phoronix: This Year Microsoft Embraced eBPF, Debuted CBL-Mariner, Continued With WSL Features

    Each year it's interesting to see how Microsoft's usage and contributions around Linux and open-source evolve. In a short period of time they go from sponsoring coffee at LinuxTag to enabling .NET and more on Linux to now in 2021 having made public their CBL-Mariner Linux distribution, supporting more features like eBPF and IO_uring on Windows, and continue heavily investing in the Windows Subsystem for Linux...

    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...Linux-OSS-2021

  • #2
    "Embraced"
    Nice bait right there

    You want somebody to say "extend and extinguish" now?

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    • #3
      M$ polluting Linux. This needs to stop.

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      • #4
        How is Microsoft polluting Linux? Please list detailed examples.

        I have to run Windows for work. But I mainly manage Linux environments. WSLg and Mariner have been excellent for my daily work tasks. Coupled with the revamped Terminal app on Windows 11, I can easily and quickly move between environments from the same launching point. This used to just be reserved for solutions like MobaXterm.

        And Microsoft has been a heavy contributor to the kernel these last few years. I see no problem with any of this..

        It isn't 1996 anymore, and Ballmer has been gone for years now.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jasonmicron View Post
          How is Microsoft polluting Linux? Please list detailed examples.

          I have to run Windows for work. But I mainly manage Linux environments. WSLg and Mariner have been excellent for my daily work tasks. Coupled with the revamped Terminal app on Windows 11, I can easily and quickly move between environments from the same launching point. This used to just be reserved for solutions like MobaXterm.

          And Microsoft has been a heavy contributor to the kernel these last few years. I see no problem with any of this..

          It isn't 1996 anymore, and Ballmer has been gone for years now.
          Here's how.

          By creating WSL, Microsoft hopes that launching Linux from Windows will be easier than installing it on bare-metal, therefore:

          1. Killing any chance of success for Linux on desktop
          2. Keeping the Windows Server users around as they see Linux as a better solution
          3. On Windows: Linux app? No problem, just use WSL. It works.
          4. On Linux: Windows app? No problem, just use Wine..... Oh wait, this doesn't run, that doesn't run either... ugh.
          5. Conclusion? Windows runs Windows and Linux apps; Linux runs Linux and some Windows apps. Winner? Windows.

          Killing Linux from inside ("Microsoft ❤ Linux") is easier than killing it from outside ("Linux is a cancer").

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Volta View Post
            M$ polluting Linux. This needs to stop.
            Linux is FOSS. That means everyone has the 4 freedoms to use it and adapt it to suit it to their needs. Everyone means everyone, not everyone except Microsoft.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
              1. Killing any chance of success for Linux on desktop
              Not by a long shot. WSL is a mere convenience feature for Windows users. It doesn't address the fundamental reason why we need Linux on the desktop: With or without WSL, Windows is not FOSS, is laden with spyware and user-hostile.

              Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
              2. Keeping the Windows Server users around as they see Linux as a better solution
              All the better for everyone.

              Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
              3. On Windows: Linux app? No problem, just use WSL. It works.
              How is that worse than using windows-native versions of open source apps (VLC, Audacity, LO etc...)?

              Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
              4. On Linux: Windows app? No problem, just use Wine..... Oh wait, this doesn't run, that doesn't run either... ugh.
              Honestly lots of things actually do run with Wine.

              Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
              5. Conclusion? Windows runs Windows and Linux apps; Linux runs Linux and some Windows apps. Winner? Windows.
              If it was only about who has more apps, no-one would be using Linux at all, no-one would be using MacOS either. And because it's not the case, it goes to show that this is not how it works. People don't need an OS that offers zillions of apps, they need and OS that runs the few apps that they actually need. Then it comes down to which one can run them best. In many cases it's still Windows but the cases where Linux wins on the desktop for a given app do exist and they are growing.

              Originally posted by tildearrow View Post
              Killing Linux from inside ("Microsoft ❤ Linux") is easier than killing it from outside ("Linux is a cancer").
              More like "if you can't beat them, join them". Having Microsoft as a player in the ecosystem is certainly better than having it as an enemy. It's better for Linux and it's better for Microsoft.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

                Here's how.

                By creating WSL, Microsoft hopes that launching Linux from Windows will be easier than installing it on bare-metal, therefore:

                1. Killing any chance of success for Linux on desktop
                2. Keeping the Windows Server users around as they see Linux as a better solution
                3. On Windows: Linux app? No problem, just use WSL. It works.
                4. On Linux: Windows app? No problem, just use Wine..... Oh wait, this doesn't run, that doesn't run either... ugh.
                5. Conclusion? Windows runs Windows and Linux apps; Linux runs Linux and some Windows apps. Winner? Windows.

                Killing Linux from inside ("Microsoft ❤ Linux") is easier than killing it from outside ("Linux is a cancer").
                "Just like J++ was an attempt to EEE Java", as they wrote.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nth_man View Post

                  "Just like J++ was an attempt to EEE Java", as they wrote.
                  That was Microsoft Java Virtual Machine, for which they got sued by Sun and lost (settled).

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