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  • Originally posted by piorunz View Post
    Last year, we also had sharp decrease in infections and deaths, throughout entire world. There was no vaccines back then. It happened because of summer. That's how coronaviruses works. If you have any doubts, check seasonal flu death rates and charts and compare them with Covid-19 charts. Flu, and Covid-19, are both coronaviruses.

    Do you have proof that sharp decrease this year in new infections have anything to do with vaccines?
    Worldwide stats aren't reliable because every country is so variable.
    I suppose it's worth pointing out that some vaccines are known to be more effective than others. So, in the US for example, vaccines have largely been deployed at the beginning of 2021 and the numbers have plummeted far greater than any other instance where the infection rate has dropped. Prior to the vaccines, the greatest drop in infections the US saw was basically from Christmas to New Years, where the average infection rate dropped by about 40k. Since the 2nd week of January, the average infection rate dropped from 254k to 54k by mid March.
    Then in mid April, just about every country saw an increase (I wouldn't be surprised if this is correlated to the events in Brazil and India) but it was relatively minimal in the US (a peak at around 71k). After that hiccup, the infection rate has been on a steady decline, and is currently at 11k. That's the lowest it's been since March of 2020.
    Bear in mind, there are many states that have very sub-par vaccination rates, like Arkansas or Mississippi, and yet, nation-wide, the US is seeing infection rates pretty close to the UK.
    If you look at states like Vermont, Connecticut, and Rhode Island, which have among the highest vaccination rates in the country, they each have seen ZERO new infections for June 19th and 20th, and a few other random days earlier in the month too. Bear in mind, the latter 2 of those states are in the top 4 most densely populated states, so it's not like there's much of a place for people to hide from the virus.

    As I've been saying over and over again: just look at the numbers.

    I am surprised Europe isn't seeing quite as much success (April seems to have hit them much harder) but there's no doubt that the infections are dropping there a little too rapidly to not think something was causing it. I know much of Europe uses a vector vaccine, which I assume is less effective at preventing infections against mutations.

    Also, infections are not deaths. We talk about deaths here. Coronavirus infections have 99.9% survival rate with or without vaccines.
    Deaths are prevented when infections are prevented...


    • Originally posted by piorunz View Post
      In the meantime:
      UK MHRA Yellow Card Reporting up to 9th June 2021
      Cumulatively 26 weeks for Pfizer, 22 weeks for Astrazeneca and 9 weeks for Moderna[...]
      And another copy and paste from earlier. See page 49 of this thread for the answer to this one.
      Quote from the link provided : "It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event. We ask for any suspicions to be reported, even if the reporter isn’t sure if it was caused by the vaccine."
      Raw data means nothing. You need to compare it to the average frequency of the symptoms without vaccines.

      Originally posted by piorunz View Post
      Since we expect 10% to report adverse reactions it seems many have not been reported hinting that the real numbers could be 15X higher.
      Another number pulled from nowhere. Why not 100X or 1000X, sky is the limit.

      You pulled a great link, take time to read it next time.
      Last edited by WeAreDoomed; 22 June 2021, 01:14 PM. Reason: Clarification


      • What you need to know about COVID ‘vaccine’ shedding


        • Originally posted by piorunz View Post
          What you need to know about COVID ‘vaccine’ shedding

          Stop listening to the wackos and learn to forge your own opinion from the data.
          It is so obvious that you have not read the original Pfizer paper (reading is hard, listening to a podcast is easier, Rodger that). You know, the paper even your wackos' website links to, the one which is 146 pages long. They know you won't read it, it is almost too easy.
          I don't get it. Your ability to give your entire trust to some nobody on the internet, be it a doctor, without even thinking one minute about reading the original source is beyond me.
          Whatever, if you love being laughed at, that's your problem, not mine.
          Last edited by WeAreDoomed; 22 June 2021, 04:16 PM.


          • Originally posted by coder View Post
            Let's assume the worst. So, what's you point? Does it make the pandemic a lie? No, certainly not.

            It's definitely not good news, but there will hopefully be an investigation, people held accountable, and the problems fixed.

            Still, I feel like what you're doing is grasping at every case where someone is committing a fraud or in some other way seeming to benefit from the pandemic, as if to cast a cloud of doubt around it. However, that ignores that people are committing frauds and trying to profit all the time. That's not going to stop, and especially not when the pandemic no longer seems out-of-hand.

            Anti-government types love to use this tactic. ...
            Soso I am now a "anti government type", you have a very tribalistic mindset, where you make prejustice assumptiounas claims and put people in bad or good boxes.

            The problem is that this was the major number why they made the most totalitarian law since WW2 (since hitler) that is not a often coming hitler comparsion but that is litterally what happend.

            Now People lost their existences because of this lockdows, some gained weight probably got obese for the rest of their live, psychologes are full with traumatized children, like after WW2, people committed suicide, we have more divorces because of it, so other children loose one of their parent, all sorts of horrible consequences were justified by this numbers.

            And yes if we have to assume that politicians lie about such essential stuff nonstop, then it's a big wolf cry and whatever they say next can't be trusted at all.

            Yes the pandemic is real, but that alone don't justify taking away guaranteed rights of 100% of the population, but what was used was the picture of hospitals not have enough places and therefor people would die in masses.

            It's not a question of ohh let's be save just to save 1 person fuck up the lives of millions, our constitution gives very clear barriers that don't allow that and only if you have a huge danger for live of many then it can be used to limit the other freedoms.

            Otherwise people tricked our highest courts wih fraud, and not just some random people our version of "president".

            Also you are american aren't you? So the party you voted for the democrat is against universal healthcare systems, all parties I ever voted for are for it, I am even for UBI, so please don't tell me that I am "anti government type" or believe it if that makes you happy.


            • Originally posted by coder View Post

              As for the WHO, why do you presume they know the details of how the vaccines are made? No, I don't believe they're any better briefed on the matter than Gates.
              I can't be certain but so can't you, but if we would give em the data and they can't make the vaccine nothing bad happen, if we don't give em but they could make it, then people not only there but also in our countries die because people travel.

              And yes you must be clear, either it's the pest and we all (very many) die if we do not everything to stop it, or it's just some field for some rich people to get richer, if we accept the latter we must accept that all they say is corrupt because them saying all is bad and so on makes them money, so we just can't trust them and any scientist or anything they pay. Because they then all are biased.


              • Originally posted by Brane215 View Post
                Linus should stick to kernel development:
                I never had time to finish the entire video. I wanted to continue now, but all I'm getting now is: "This video has been removed for violating YouTube's Community Guidelines".

                The question that I wanted to ask the experts is why they feel it's okay to remove their masks. I know each of them had different ways of how they received immunity. My understanding is that you can still get local infections outside of your bloodstream. Would a mask not assist in spreading the disease for those type of events or is the probability so low that it is not worth the effort?


                • Originally posted by Qaridarium
                  there are multible sources of the same info...
                  Yeah, the concept is called "echo-chamber".
                  Multiple sources of "same" doesn't equal with it being truth or even anywhere close.

                  The biggest puzzle for me is, you guys are utterly illogical

                  For example: claim that NHS's, CDC's, "imagine national NHS in some random Western Bumfuck in Southern Nowhereistan" cannot be trusted because "imagine some shady conspiracy theory". Despite the latter making literally no sense because they such organizations dont share any single central authority - which theoretically could make all it's subjects "sing the same song" if it had some hidden agenda. NHS's and CDC's all around the world quack the same tune - quite a few countries in our world dont get along with others but their cdc's and nhs's still speak same thing.
                  You know,. "if it quacks like a duck.." - Maybe it is a fucking viral duck afterall. Despite you wanting to call it chicken.

                  Then, disregarding hundreds and thousandas of specialists who are as unanimous as can be (there are odd freaks even among doctors), their knowledge and experience (you know how long medical doctor (and I dont mean fucking chiropracticioners here despite them also calling themselves a "doctor") would have to study? ~10 years) - you decide to truthfully rather believe some shady unknown from Internet who presents himself/herself with seemingly nice credentials and a story much ´better aligning with your particular paranoias...
                  Why would you rather trust some unknown "toilet-seat Facebook virologist"? Computer-people.. do you know what "root of trust" means..? You are throwing it out of the window because truth doesn't fit your beliefs. How do you know your favorite source does not have vested interest in manufacturing your "truths" for it's own financial gain?

                  Originally posted by piorunz View Post
                  Nah. I am perfectly healthy, have had hundreds of coronavirus infections throughout my life (It's called flu). Covid-19 is just another coronavirus, as name suggests.
                  I will leave vaccinations to you.
                  I prefer vaccines to come out of beta testing first. (Hint: 2023)
                  "just another coronavirus".. Do you know domestic cats have coronavirus with as close to 100% mortality rate as can be. Vets would just suggest you euthanize your pet. Despite it being "just a coronavirus". It's called FIP, look it up.

                  MERS - in Middle-East jumps to humans from camels, time to time. It generally takes every third human it infects into grave. Also "just a coronavirus".

                  The fact that humans also deal with half dozen HCov strains and have adapted to them (or virus to us), doesn't make others we havent adapted to, less harmful. Such outlook is plain stupid.

                  Antivaxxers are essentially parasites on medical system. Fact that majority of populations do vaccinate, allows antivaxxers to sprout their wild theories and point to themselves - "I havent gotten sick, see, it proves my point". Should more than third of any population refuse inoculations, infections gonna have free reign - with antivaccers being to first ones getting hit.


                  • What I don't understand is why so many still believe Covid 19 should be on the A list of infectious decease.

                    Covid is only on that list, because the WHO changed the definition. (2009)

                    Then they are misusing a pcr test, to lock us up and all the other shit.

                    I don't need a conspiracy theory to see they are fucking up.

                    IFR 0.15 % world wide. That 20 times lower, then what they claimed at the start.

                    I cant read their minds, maybe a lot op people just panicked and now don't wanna admit they fucked up.


                    STANFORD, California, April 16, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — A new study released by Professor John P. A. Ioannidis of Stanford University, California, has found that the infection fatality rate (IFR) of COVID-19 is significantly lower than previous studies indicated. According to Ioannidis, a medicine and epidemiology professor, the virus is less deadly than once thought, registering at a mere 0.15% fatality rate.


                    • Originally posted by Gps4life View Post
                      I cant read their minds, maybe a lot op people just panicked and now don't wanna admit they fucked up.
                      Sure, only between 4 millions (official count) and 8,4 millions of deaths (over-mortality count), no big deal, right?