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  • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
    But Swine flu was a big crying wolf moment, government bought many vaxxines and here in europe at least 99% of those had to be destroyed because swine flu was such a joke that nobody wanted a vaxxine against such a harmless sickness.

    If you defend taking such a joke of a nothingburger serious then no wonder covid is like living hell for you. It showed corruption how some fake scientists can make governments buy useless vaxxines... against one of the most harmless sicknesses ever existent in history.
    Now, as for the fact that it wasn't as bad as feared, I don't get your point. If the health community had not sounded the alarm and it turned out to be far more deadly and pervasive, that would be a much worse outcome than saying it looked like it could be bad and marshaling all the resources to try and combat it.

    If it looks like a hurricane is headed for your home, would you rather the forecaster give you an early warning of the possibility, or wait until it's right about to hit so they won't be wrong (but you might not have enough time to evacuate)? When to sound the alarm is the age old dilemma, but I think one reason it wasn't worse is precisely because we were prepared and there were more vaccination drives and warnings of vulnerable people to take extra precautions.

    Finally, a thread of cognitive dissonance I see is some sense that everything involving the pharmaceutical industry is bad, phony, and nefarious. Yet, @Quaridarium went so far as labeling pro-vax people Marxist. So, which is it? If you guys believe in free enterprise, then there's going to be a pharma industry and they are going to try profiting from life-saving drugs, vaccines, and therapies. We all know that some pharma companies have done some really bad stuff, which is why I think a note of skepticism is warranted. But, the flat-out refusal to accept anything that could work to their advantage is basically rejecting the capitalist model, entirely.

    Finally, I should point out that AstraZeneca opted to forego any profit from its Covid vaccine, while Pfizer/BioNTech are donating 500 million doses of theirs to developing countries.

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    • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
      If nothing all he uses his false state as "great person that save live" and that everybody asks him about this covid shit to give cover for the government not do what is necessary just make a law or whatever is needed to give india the formula without any restrictions.

      The EU could do it, so could amerika... he shuts down this discussion with spreading lies. If very very evil people like him get placed as some sort of hero and friend of human you know that everything else following this lie, can also only be a lie coming out of his mouth.
      Whatever Gates does, you seem to presume only the worst motives. Maybe you could try looking at what he said & why, then seeing if it checks out?

      I wasn't a fan of how he ran Microsoft, but I think his organization is genuinely about helping people. I don't think one cancels out the other -- I look at them independently.

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      • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
        They warned the government in January that the numbers are no longer trustworthy.
        Let's assume the worst. So, what's you point? Does it make the pandemic a lie? No, certainly not.

        It's definitely not good news, but there will hopefully be an investigation, people held accountable, and the problems fixed.

        Still, I feel like what you're doing is grasping at every case where someone is committing a fraud or in some other way seeming to benefit from the pandemic, as if to cast a cloud of doubt around it. However, that ignores that people are committing frauds and trying to profit all the time. That's not going to stop, and especially not when the pandemic no longer seems out-of-hand.

        Anti-government types love to use this tactic. Whenever you have an organization involved in so aspects of human society and with millions of employees, it's not hard to find isolated instances of fraud or corruption, or at least what appear to be such. These are zealously reported, as if to show the whole enterprise of government is rotten to the core. However, taken in perspective, they're probably not very significant. And instead of looking at how accountability can be improved to better prevent actual instances of fraud or corruption, right-wing media sends a message that the government is corrupt and must be stripped bare. If you want a conspiracy theory, there you go. It's all so plain and simple.

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        • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
          So you believe Gates more than the WHO?
          It said in even the part you quoted that they lacked the know-how. So, if you don't know how a thing is done, how could you be so certain that you have all the necessary capability to do it? These vaccine makers undoubtedly have experience making traditional vaccines and a vested interest in making Covid vaccines. We should just keep that in mind, and take their statements with a grain of salt.

          As for the WHO, why do you presume they know the details of how the vaccines are made? No, I don't believe they're any better briefed on the matter than Gates.

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          • Originally posted by coder View Post
            There are two reasons, aside from your own well-being:
            1. Not everyone can take the vaccine, and vaccines don't work for everyone. We need herd immunity to protect these people.
            2. The longer we go without herd immunity, the more the virus can mutate, and that poses an increased risk even to the vaccinated.

            I think it's in your self-interest to take it. However, if that's not enough motivation, perhaps you will think of the vulnerable, such as transplant recipients, people with autoimmune diseases, those undergoing chemotherapy, etc. and play a part in helping us reach herd immunity.
            Nah. I am perfectly healthy, have had hundreds of coronavirus infections throughout my life (It's called flu). Covid-19 is just another coronavirus, as name suggests.
            I will leave vaccinations to you.
            I prefer vaccines to come out of beta testing first. (Hint: 2023)

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            • Originally posted by coder View Post
              While it's true that the efficacy is sometimes low, it's usually good enough for the vulnerable to be worth taking. Some years, it's in excess of 60%.

              I'm not sure about the profitability of it, though. It's definitely not the most profitable product for Pharma companies, which is why I think most vaccine production happens in India.
              You claim that flu shots are 60% effective? Flip a coin like? How is that better from vitamin C, D and Zinc?
              Anyway, you surely have study behind this number to quote? Please do, we all want to hear the source.

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              • Originally posted by WeAreDoomed View Post
                As I said earlier, vaccines save millions, kill thousands. And it always sucks to be on the wrong side.
                Other vaccines may have saved millions, but in Covid-19 case, we don't know that yet, as Covid-19 vaccines have just been rolled out and are designed only for emergency use.

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                • Originally posted by piorunz View Post
                  Other vaccines may have saved millions, but in Covid-19 case, we don't know that yet, as Covid-19 vaccines have just been rolled out and are designed only for emergency use.
                  Actually we have a pretty good idea of how much the vaccines have saved. Look at places where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated and you'll see a sharp decrease in new infections.

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                  • Originally posted by schmidtbag View Post
                    Actually we have a pretty good idea of how much the vaccines have saved. Look at places where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated and you'll see a sharp decrease in new infections.
                    Last year, we also had sharp decrease in infections and deaths, throughout entire world. There was no vaccines back then. It happened because of summer. That's how coronaviruses works. If you have any doubts, check seasonal flu death rates and charts and compare them with Covid-19 charts. Flu, and Covid-19, are both coronaviruses.

                    Do you have proof that sharp decrease this year in new infections have anything to do with vaccines?

                    Also, infections are not deaths. We talk about deaths here. Coronavirus infections have 99.9% survival rate with or without vaccines.
                    Last edited by piorunz; 22 June 2021, 08:27 AM.

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                    • In the meantime:

                      UK MHRA Yellow Card Reporting up to 9th June 2021 https://www.gov.uk/government/public...card-reporting
                      Cumulatively 26 weeks for Pfizer, 22 weeks for Astrazeneca and 9 weeks for Moderna

                      * Pfizer - 15.6million people have received 26.3million doses - Yellowcard reporting rate - 1-in-220 people impacted
                      * Astrazeneca - 24.6million people have received 42.3million doses - Yellowcard reporting rate - 1-in-122 people impacted
                      * Moderna - 0.56million people received first dose - Yellowcard reporting rate - 1-in-131 people impacted

                      Currently overall 1-in-147 people who have received one or both doses of a covid-19 vaccine experiences a Yellow Card Adverse Event.

                      Since we expect 10% to report adverse reactions it seems many have not been reported hinting that the real numbers could be 15X higher.

                      A significant proportion of these adverse events require urgent medical care, may be life changing or long lasting in effect, and represent immense human suffering and distress

                      Reactions - 202,036 (Pfizer) + 732,790 (AZ) + 12,042 (Moderna) + 2419 (Unknown) = 949,287
                      Reports - 70,950 (Pfizer) + 200,860 (AZ) + 4267 (Moderna) + 790 (Unknown) = 276,867
                      Fatal - 421 (Pfizer) + 885 (AZ) + 4 (Moderna) + 22 (Unknown) = 1332
                      Acute Cardiac - 2615 (Pfizer) + 7685 (AZ) + 77 (Moderna) + 20 (Unknown) = 10,370
                      Anaphylaxis - 376 (Pfizer) + 740 (AZ) + 12 (Moderna) + 2 (Unknown) = 1130
                      Blood Disorders - 6923 (Pfizer) + 6490 (AZ) + 239 (Moderna) + 28 (Unknown) = 13,680
                      Infections - 5030 (Pfizer) + 15,726 (AZ) + 198 (Moderna) + 65 (Unknown) = 21,019
                      Herpes - 1199 (Pfizer) + 2041 (AZ) + 25 (Moderna) + 11 (Unknown) = 3276
                      Headaches - 16,433 (Pfizer) + 78,088 (AZ) + 597 (Moderna) + 198 (Unknown) = 95,316
                      Migraine - 1618 (Pfizer) + 7096 (AZ) + 66 (Moderna) + 23 (Unknown) = 8803
                      Eye Disorders - 3398 (Pfizer) + 11,857 (AZ) + 124 (Moderna) + 40 (Unknown) = 15,419
                      Blindness - 46 (Pfizer) + 229 (AZ) + 1 (Moderna) + 3 (Unknown) = 279
                      Psychiatric Disorders - 3702 (Pfizer) + 14,883 (AZ) + 205 (Moderna) + 57 (Unknown) = 18,847
                      Skin Disorders - 15,005 (Pfizer) + 44,966 (AZ) + 2435 (Moderna) + 163 (Unknown) = 62,569
                      Spontaneous Abortions - 110 + 7 stillbirth/foetal death (Pfizer) + 86 + 3 stillbirth (AZ) + 4 (Moderna) + 1 (Unknown) = 201 + 10
                      Vomiting - 2320 (Pfizer) + 10,643 (AZ) + 102 (Moderna) + 37 (Unknown) = 13,102
                      Facial Paralysis incl. Bell’s Palsy - 485 (Pfizer) + 653 (AZ) + 16 (Moderna) + 3 (Unknown) = 1157
                      Face Swelling - 488 (Pfizer) + 925 (AZ) + 19 (Moderna) + 7 (Unknown) = 1439
                      Nervous System Disorders - 37,404 (Pfizer) + 158,126 (AZ) + 1769 (Moderna) + 482 (Unknown) = 197,781
                      Disturbances in Consciousness - 3049 (Pfizer) + 9442 (AZ) + 198 (Moderna) + 37 (Unknown) = 12,726
                      Strokes and CNS haemorrhages - 392 (Pfizer) + 1605 (AZ) + 5 (Moderna) + 4 (Unknown) = 2006
                      Guillian Barre Syndrome - 38 (Pfizer) + 294 (AZ) + 1 (Moderna) + 3 (Unknown) = 336
                      Dizziness - 5766 (Pfizer) + 22,126 (AZ) + 386 (Moderna) + 71 (Unknown) = 28,349
                      Tremor - 902 (Pfizer) + 9208 (AZ) + 34 (Moderna) + 36 (Unknown) = 10,180
                      Thrombosis & Embolism (All types) - 734 (Pfizer) + 4380 (AZ) + 12 (Moderna) + 20 (Unknown) = 5146
                      * Pulmonary Embolism - 246 (Pfizer), 1236 (AZ), 3 (Moderna), 5 (Unknown)
                      * Deep Vein Thrombosis - 156 (Pfizer), 928 (AZ), 1 (Moderna), 6 (Unknown)
                      Respiratory Disorders - 8709 (Pfizer) + 24,089 (AZ) + 308 (Moderna) + 72 (Unknown) = 33,178
                      Nosebleeds - 514 (Pfizer) + 1911 (AZ) + 24 (Moderna) + 6 (Unknown) = 2455
                      Seizures - 493 (Pfizer) + 1683 (AZ) + 29 (Moderna) + 9 (Unknown) = 2214
                      Paralysis - 191 (Pfizer) + 599 (AZ) + 11 (Moderna) + 3 (Unknown) = 804
                      Haemorrhage (All types) - 1013 (Pfizer) + 3126 (AZ) + 80 (Moderna) + 10 (Unknown) = 4229
                      Vertigo/Tinnitis - 1796 (Pfizer) + 5127 (AZ) + 97 (Moderna) + 19 (Unknown) = 7039
                      Reproductive/Breast - 3335 (Pfizer) + 7186 (AZ) + 378 (Moderna) + 32 (Unknown) = 10,931

                      These experimental vaccines don't look very safe to me.

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