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  • Originally posted by piorunz View Post
    Check out this PDF on VAERS and other things. https://odysee.com/@SixthSense-Truth...ta_11APR2021:e
    This is a great misuse of the databases of VAERS and EudraVigilance. Allow me to explain the fallacy.
    These databases are fairly complete, and register any "events" that happen after (in the "time" sense) vaccination.
    But you see, people die everyday, vaccinated or not, so when you do a massive (almost 100%) campaign of vaccination, you will have people who die following the injection of the vaccine, but with mostly unrelated cause. As usual, you have to look at the over-mortality number, not the raw mortality. You have to verify if the vaccine is responsible for a augmentation of mortality.
    (I mean, it is obvious that the authors don't understand what the data mean, they don't even understand why there are actual infections reported after vaccinations..., basically they don't understand the difference between "all events" (what is the database is) and "events exclusively caused by the vaccines" (what the database isn't))

    That being said, vaccines are obviously not 100% safe. I don't have the number worldwide for the confirmed link between COVID and deaths, but for example in Norway the lethality of the vaccine was estimated between 0.03% and 0.1% for the nursing home residents. This may seem high, but one have to remember that this specific population have a mortality rate for the actual virus typically around 5-15%.
    As I said earlier, vaccines save millions, kill thousands. And it always sucks to be on the wrong side.

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    • Originally posted by piorunz View Post
      Have you actually studied flu vaccine efficacy, or your post is only to show your dreamed up scenario? You know, flu shots don't work for majority of people who take it, no one ever told you? Flu shots are just a cash cow for pharmaceutical companies.
      While it's true that the efficacy is sometimes low, it's usually good enough for the vulnerable to be worth taking. Some years, it's in excess of 60%.

      I'm not sure about the profitability of it, though. It's definitely not the most profitable product for Pharma companies, which is why I think most vaccine production happens in India.

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      • Originally posted by piorunz View Post
        Masks don't work whatsoever, have you actually read the studies?
        Yes, they do. And it has been well-studied, which is how we know. Even relatively low-quality masks do help, if compliance is high. See my prior post:


        Originally posted by piorunz View Post
        If I get the vaccine, I am not immune from variants. If I don't take it, I am not immune either. Covid-19 is not killing anyone in my age group. No point taking the vaccine for me.

        Please find flaw in this simple four sentences above.
        1. Vaccines so far appear to provide decent protection from variants. The amount varies by vaccine. You can find the current status of their variant protection here: https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/co...ine-comparison
        2. Some variants appear not only to spread more readily, but also carry higher risk of complications and death.
        3. Some variants appear to elevate the risk to younger populations.
        I didn't find data on deaths by age for India's latest surge, unfortunately. I think it's still too soon.

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        • Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
          1) I have/had the COVID-19 antibodies in me and have not even had the sniffles since the end of March 2020
          The quality of the antibodies tends to correlate with the severity and duration of the illness. Back when they were doing antibody treatments via transfusion. they tended to prefer middle-aged patients who'd been hospitalized.

          Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
          3) With the number of people that have already have been vaccinated we are very close to herd immunity
          As long as there's any question of your antibody status, you could just take the vaccine to be sure you're part of that herd immunity.

          I shouldn't have to tell you that "close" is not the same as actually reaching herd immunity, and the vaccination drive in the US (assuming that's where you are) appears to be stalling. We probably won't get there.

          Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
          4) This is the biggest reason, I decided to focus on getting my cardio vascular conditioning back
          That's great, but it's not actually a reason not to get the vaccine.

          BTW, intense exercise actually causes an acute drop in immune system function. So, you might try to limit your exposure during and immediately following workout sessions. Look it up, if you don't believe me.

          Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
          One can be reluctant to get any of the COVID-19 vaccines without being an antivaxer.
          I didn't see exactly why you're reluctant, though.

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          • Originally posted by Gps4life View Post
            The only real difference is that I believe different scientist and doctors, then the one the main stream media uses.
            Those are called quacks and crackpots. If they had good ideas, good methodology, and good data, then they wouldn't be outside the mainstream.

            Controversial studies are published in mainstream science quite frequently. You don't usually have to go outside the mainstream, unless what you're doing really isn't good science.

            Originally posted by Gps4life View Post
            I could also show graphs that show that the drop in corona cases is not related to the number of people vaccinated.
            That's news? We saw fluctuations in the case numbers throughout 2020, before there was any vaccine! We know that things like business restrictions, distancing, mask-wearing, and people's ability to go outside (i.e. nice weather) are all factors that can help lower case numbers. What the vaccines let us do is get back to how things were before the pandemic, when we didn't have to do any of those things!

            Originally posted by Gps4life View Post
            But I am wasting my time, arguing people who do believe the main stream media.,
            I think the real issue is that we believe science. There's not much room for partisanship, in science. There's good science and there's everything else.

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            • Originally posted by sdack View Post
              It was not an attack, but a question. Seeing now that you want to take it as attack tells me that you have no higher education, which means you have no experience.

              I dearly suggest you get a higher education, see what it is like to study and learn and to become a highly skilled worker who posses specialised know-how that can help the world.

              Until then do you have no idea how much effort it is to get such know-how.
              A you have no idea how much and what education I have so make again wild assumptions without knowledge, but if I take a question that implies that I am dumb by putting a straw men in my mouth, doesn't make me dumb.

              Every sane person that has a a good education would be feel attacked when out of nowhere somebody publicly would ask them "How often do you rape your wife". Because the question includes a allegation.

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              • Originally posted by blackiwid View Post
                A you have no idea how much and what education I have ...
                Actually one can somewhat speculate about what education you have after reading your comments. I certainly have an idea.
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                • Originally posted by coder View Post
                  I predict mask-wearing during cold & flu season is here to stay, at least among more vulnerable populations. It's been normalized in Asia for a couple decades, already (I'm not sure if that was brought about by SARS or what).
                  No. It is highly doubtful for the US or the UK to be doing this after all we have seen so far, and for Europe probably, too. People in the 1st world countries will not want to resort to face masks as the final answer. People will ask for the virus to be eradicated, for an introduction of vaccine passports, for more restricted travel and to give out more vaccines to the rest of the world. And in order to either to push the virus out of individual countries, or to eradicate it completely.
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                  Last edited by sdack; 21 June 2021, 05:49 AM.

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                  • Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
                    There are about 310 million people in the U.S., about 175 million have had at least 1 dose and 146 million are fully vaccinated.and in New York State, 70% of the population has received at least the first dose:

                    https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gov...received-first

                    Herd immunity is here, time to stop living in fear and start living again.
                    It's weird to think NY is typical of the entire US. We know that New England is the region with the highest vaccination rates.

                    Also, 1 dose is just half-vaxxed, for 2/3rds of the vaccines. Some people unfortunately never get the 2nd dose.

                    Originally posted by sophisticles View Post
                    A coward dies many deaths, a brave man dies but once.

                    Time to stop dying.
                    What does this have to do with anything, and what kind of health professional says such a thing?

                    I'm starting to wonder whether your 2 degrees aren't from some anti-science school, like BJU, where they don't even believe in evolution.

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                    • Originally posted by sdack View Post
                      No. It is highly doubtful for the US or the UK to be doing this after all we have seen so far, and for Europe probably, too. People in the 1st world countries will not want to resort to facemasks as the final answer. People will ask for the virus to be eradicated, for an introduction of vaccine passports, for more restricted travel and to give out more vaccines to the rest of the world.
                      Um, I was talking about cold and flu. So far as we know, eradication is not an option for them. And there's no cold virus vaccine (actually, there are like a half-dozen different cold viruses), so no vaccine passport for that.

                      FWIW, I'll probably wear a mask in public places, during cold & flu season. Partly for my own protection, but also partly to help normalize the practice.

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