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  • Originally posted by lano1106
    His coming out will certainly influence people to go for the vax.
    I certainly hope so.

    Originally posted by lano1106
    I disagree with most of what he said. No one can claim that those vaccines are safe. I have seen that it create 20x more side effects than the standard vaccine does. It made more victims in 6 months than the virus had.
    Noone can claim that any medicine or any medical procedure is 100% safe. There is no such thing as 100% safety in life. Btw, do you know what happened to me after my first shot of Pfizer? My arm hurt the day after, that was it - I had zero adverse effects since then. Moderate symptoms like fever, joint pain and feeling like shit for a few days are not uncommon either and something that every vaccine can cause.

    Originally posted by lano1106
    At best, it is a corrupt operation to fill in big pharma bank accounts.
    Conspiracy theory. Stop consuming alt right media.

    Originally posted by lano1106
    The vaccine ingredients are secret. The vaccine is experimental since the clinical studies are currently ongoing. So if there are side effects that start appearing in 2 years, no one can tell. For that, claiming that the vaccine is safe, this is a lie. No one knows.
    The vaccine ingredients are publicly available by law. Noone can sell medicine without listing all the compounds. IIRC the Pfizer vaccine consists of liposomes (hollow spheres made out of a lipid bilayer, just like the membrane of a cell) which contain the RNA, some salt and sugar to make it isoosmotic and a few fatty acids to stabilize the suspension. Publicizing this is mandatory as it can help to avoid anaphylaxia in people with allergies.

    Every batch of vaccine gets sampled and analyzed in the lab to make sure that the vaccine meets the specifications and that there weren't any mishaps. This is enforced through the respective regulatory bodies (FDA for the US or the EMA in the EU) and additionally the manufacturers analyze their vaccines several times during production as a QA measure.

    The studies performed on the Corona vaccines used in the US and EU are exceptionally detailed, and were performed on way more people than is usual for vaccines or medicine. As with all medicines, documenting rare side effects is continued after the vaccine hits the market.

    It is very, very, very unlikely for more side effects to be discovered years down the line. By that time, the RNA is long gone as enzymes in the cells, so calledribonucleases destroy it after a few days. Also, humans (or all living things for that matter) are subjected to foreign RNA (and DNA) all the time - it's called a viral infection. Following your argumentation, everyone should be afraid to become crippled just because they cought a cold a few years ago.

    What makes RNA vaccines different is that your body doesn't produce virus particles in response, but only small fragments of their surface (which stops after the ribonucleases did their thing). This is enough to trigger the immune response and it's actually much less invasive than regular vaccines, which either use living virus particles to transfer the RNA/DNA into the cells or contain a high concentration of dead virus.

    Again, noone claimed that the vaccines are 100% safe. What's sure however is, that there is much less risk from getting long term damage from the vaccine than from the actual sars-cov2 infection.

    Originally posted by lano1106
    and finally, to me there is no point taking a risk with an experimental treatment for a virus that has a survival rate of 99.97%.
    This number applies to 1st world countries only (+ when the pandemic started it was around 75%) and doesn't mean jack shit, when considering that 15% of covid cases, regardless of the severity, result in one or more of the following things after the infection: loss of taste + smell (takes months to heal, irreversible in many cases), lung damage w/ shortness of breath (months-permanent), chronic fatigue syndrom (months), kidney damage (irreversible), vasculitis (acute but may become chronic).

    Originally posted by lano1106
    The most common argument that I have heard from pro-vax, it is that they are taking it to get back to a normal life. Vaccines are protecting against viruses. Not against lies, corruption and tyranny. The vaccine isn't the solution to a political problem...
    I got myself vaccinated because I don't want to be responsible for ruining someone else's life (if I infected them and it causes persisting damage/death). Also, how do you think humans erradicated diseases like the pocks, measles and tetanus? This was only possible because a sufficient percentage of the population got vaccinated. Taking measures like wearing masks/covering the nose+mouth when a disease spreads via aerosols is common for over 100 years now. Look at this poster from 1920: https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/v...es/a030889.jpg

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    • This forum spam filter *sucks*.


      Brazil is a bit different socially than the US... which was already much more distanced. Brazilians dont' have near the personal space issues that most Americans have.... this lends to people standing closer to you in lines, Brazilians also often stand in huge lines to pay bills, brazilians largely travel by bus also unlike the US were most travel is by private car... there are lots of things in Brazil that could contribute to increased spread that don't exist in other countries. Another Brazil specific issues is population density is basically equal across the country (aka very high due to the Brazilian style limitations on city expansion even in semi "rural" areas)...whereas many US states have very very low population density per sq mile. In many areas of the USA most people life on what would be a chacara , sitio or fazenda in Brazil as the norm with only about half the population living in mostly still less than Brazilian density cities.

      Anyway quit telling other people what to do.... its unethical. Share your ideas but quit acting like your opinion is best and that others are less then you for having differing opinions.

      Perhaps you should consider becoming more principled in your through processes so you can actually have discussion about topics rather than just yelling at people you disagree with.

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      • Originally posted by microcode View Post
        The spike proteins are proliferating throughout the body, rather than staying near the injection site, and data from Japan (IIRC) seem to show them accumulating in ovaries and bone marrow.
        That's a fakenews from Byram Bridle ,
        https://byrambridle.com/


        The "super secret document/study" from pfizer, is not about spike proteins in ovaries, but lipids



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        • Originally posted by cb88
          Way to go sicko... you probably chuckle at the people who had averse reactions to the vaccine also. "Serves them right for loosing out the genetic lottery" or some unempathetic shit.
          No, of course not. I do not think anyone deserves it. It is only inevitable that many of us got it and will continue to get it, and that the virus will be with us for a while. No amount of empathy is going to change this, so I am free to chuckle when it gets ignorant people and turns them remorseful. And it is not like anti-vaxers have empathy when they think only of themselves, or do they now?
          Last edited by sdack; 11 June 2021, 02:43 PM.

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          • Originally posted by drakonas777 View Post
            It's always nice to see how COVID19 or LGBTQ+ related topics expose uneducated pieces of shit in this forum.
            The LGBTnonsense community can go fuck it's self, they constantly pretend like they represent people like me when they don't. Just because we like the same gender whether we like the other gender too or not, they think it's fine to pretend their opinion is my opinion and act like everyone who does like the same gender. they don't LGBTNonsense community should get hate, because they only thing they have managed to do in recent history, is incur more hate for us from other people.

            Not to mention that the entire movement was stolen from the original LGBT movement, which did more good than bad, but also in the latter part of it's life started doing worse than better. the moment the LGBT community decided it was okay to force priests to wed same sex marriage against their wishes it completely died.

            Now you can tack whatever nonsense on to the end of LGBT to try and steal the momentum it once had, everybody is embracing it from people who dress up in dog costumes to people who want to diddle children, instead of making their own movement they steal the LGBT's. not to mention pride month is a fucking joke. the only thing these are doing is generating hatred from everyone else. Christian homo/bisexuals have a hard enough time as it dealing with the conflict of sexuality and religion, without all the extra hatred being fabricated by the LGBTQ community within their religion. and im sure other groups probably have the same issues, but unlike the LGBTQ+ community, Im not going to pretend to speak for them.

            LGBT is completely irrelevant to tech, its no wonder hatred gets shown, straight people are constantly being told they are a piece of shit if they don't like homosexuals or bisexuals. meanwhile the real pieces of shit are the people who give the rest of us a bad name by congratulating people suing christian people for "Sexual Discrimination" when they don't want to bake a fucking cake for gay people. the LGBTQ+ community deserves all the hate that they get and then some.

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            • Let's follow some of our recent 'science'.
              Pro-Vaxers banned from social media for posting adverse reactions.
              Moderna developed and released in 2 days.
              Vax is a defacto experiment.
              Human trials end in 2023.
              CDC stops recording vaccinated people that get CV19 as of yesterday.
              Anti-Vaxers banned from social media for saying Wuhan and Fauci.
              Anti-Vaxers found to be more right than that- Fauci funded the creation of CV19.
              First fully vaxed cruise line sets sail. CV19 sweeps through the population as of yesterday.
              Emergency meeting held today at CDC due to vaccines stopping the hearts of 15-30 year olds.
              Ingredients of vaccine and adverse reactions listed as blank on vaccine inserts.
              Pharma companies indemnified if you have an adverse reaction.
              Fauci and media ban HCQ and Ivermectin since Teump endorsed it.
              Patient foots bill then dumped out of the system during adverse reaction, because there is no treatment for mRNA adverse reactions.
              Women picking up entire chunks of placenta after vaccine, banned from social media.
              High profile people asking for help, banned from social media, later found dead.
              HCQ and Ivermection found to be curative in patient testing sample of 1000 as of this week.

              I don't know what all this means, because unlike Rand Paul, I'm not a doctor. But whatever mystery meat is in those vials sounds worse than CV19. At least you can get treated for CV19. You can't un-mRNA yourself.


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              • Originally posted by sdack View Post
                No, of course not. I do not think anyone deserves it.
                You clearly think that people that you disagree with "deserve what they got" ... which frankly yes a demented stance.

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                • Originally posted by fafreeman
                  just don't want to be an early adopter for something new.
                  You won't be. When you get the virus will it have travelled through so many people, it will definitely be second-hand.
                  Last edited by sdack; 11 June 2021, 03:21 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by cb88 View Post
                    You clearly think that people that you disagree with "deserve what they got" ... which frankly yes a demented stance.
                    I am not saying they deserve it. It is the remorse they feel that amuses me. Have you never laughed at anyone for making a mistake and how they immediately regretted it?
                    Last edited by sdack; 11 June 2021, 03:23 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by fafreeman
                      exactly. people like you who are terrible people who believe in nonsense conspiracy theories and call people anti vaxxers because they want to wait a bit to get a brand new shot that's never been used before. even though, many people like myself, get the flu shot yearly and love vaccines. just don't want to be an early adopter for something new.

                      i've developed a great disdain for many people thanks to this wonderful thread michael thought was great to share on his linux site. including michael himself. it has really helped the community to unite together and get along by pushing both sides to double down even more and hate each other. social activism wins again!

                      thank you linus, thank you michael. right side of history wins again. linux as a whole has benefited greatly from this.

                      why linus allows non linux kernel talk on the mailing lists to begin with and why michael keeps wanting to use his site for social activism is beyond me. it hasn't made anything better. unless you count splitting the community more, generating more hate for each other as better. but when you have the sick mindset of being on the right side of history, i guess you get caught up in your conspiracy theories and grand delusions you manifest in your head.

                      hot topics, controversial topics like this, should be avoided. its common sense its going to dwell into mass arguments that's going to spew more hate. but again, when you believe you are on the right side of history, you blinded by your own personal, internal bias. and some people are truly sick by enjoying the hate. as you can see from the "pro vaccine" crowd who get a slight pleasure of seeing people suffer. as the one commenter noted above of chuckling seeing people getting hurt by their actions. clearly helping people have their coming to jesus moments with such amazing comments.

                      no one in this thread is having a coming to jesus moment about anything. this entire thread is hate on both sides with both sides claiming the other side is hateful and not them.

                      this is the quality content you can expect by michael on phoronix and linus getting himself involved in.
                      Oh shut up and get off your high horse.
                      First of all, there's a big difference between people who are pro-vaccine but want to wait and those who just straight up spread misinformation and act like they're more harm than good, or some ridiculous conspiracy. There's no reason to complain about what Linus said if you're the waiting type.

                      Ever heard of "don't shoot the messenger"? Michael reports on interesting things that happens in the Linux world, and even as Linus himself pointed out, this shouldn't have been a discussion on a kernel mailing list, but it was. His response is attention-grabbing to say the least, so if Michael didn't post it, someone would have.
                      You clearly haven't been here long because this community has been toxic for a long time. For every 1 person willing to have a civil discussion, there's multiple others who will tear apart your sentences word by word and seem to have a literalism problem.
                      Anyway, it is clear you didn't fully read what Linus said, because he himself stated how it wasn't appropriate to talk about vaccines on a kernel mailing list. As far as I'm concerned, that means he didn't allow it.

                      Also, who are you to assume what the right side of history is?

                      If you think hot controversial topics should be avoided, then why are you here? A bit hypocritical, eh?

                      Your sensationalism and holier-than-thou attitude is accomplishing nothing.

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