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  • kgonzales
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    Originally posted by andre30correia View Post

    yes and then like most of ibm projects simple die like power cpus, desktop software etc. Rh had some relevance with server side of linux with desktop they simple give up many years ago the only one who pushs and make linux desktop usable was canonical/ubuntu
    You are correct in that Red Hat did not focus on selling a consumer desktop. However, the sales of their workstation product was and is robust. The focus went there because that is where the money is. And those funds are reinvested into more graphics engineers... because a majority of their workstation clients are movie studios and engineering shops.

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  • kgonzales
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    Originally posted by WalterCool View Post

    Not really, OpenSource and Capitalism are okay, the problem with RedHat is how much influence they have in opensource projects. They have too much power in certain groups... like Gnome.

    Same goes for Microsoft/Redhat/Intel on Linux.
    Yeah so your argument is that Red Hat should stop contributing so much open source code, and wait for other to make up the slack? How do you motivate others to actually put in the work? Or are you just wishing and dreaming?

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  • sophisticles
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    Originally posted by dekernel View Post
    Heck, even Linus apparently doesn't have issues with it, and his opinion brings far more weight than guys like you.
    What if Linus said, on video, that Linux on the desktop sucks? How would you feel then?

    Linus Torvalds on why desktop Linux sucks - YouTube

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  • Frenzie
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    Originally posted by lu_tze View Post

    "Czechia" and "Česko" are considered derogatory. So if you want to insult people, go ahead.

    The rest of us will continue calling it Czech Republic / Česká republika, despite the inconvenience (oh noes!) of being longer.
    What are your sources? All I could find was the Czech government very much recommending you call the place Czechia.


    Jde o: Czechia (ang.), Tchéquie (fr.), Chequia (šp.), Чехия (rus.) a dále v arabštině a čínštině.

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  • skeevy420
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    Originally posted by lu_tze View Post

    "Czechia" and "Česko" are considered derogatory. So if you want to insult people, go ahead.

    The rest of us will continue calling it Czech Republic / Česká republika, despite the inconvenience (oh noes!) of being longer.
    Much ado about nothing -- reminds me of the time I had to explain how Merica is derogatory and is used by the rest of the world to make fun of us. I'm a bit dyslexic so I'm reading about those idiots in Mercia most of the time anyways.

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  • lu_tze
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    Originally posted by Black_Fox View Post

    Just like the "Republic of Poland" (official full name) is referred to as Poland (usual short form) in most contexts, in the same way the "Czech Republic" is Czechia. Or the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is United Kingdom, if you really want me to illustrate the pointlessness of using the long-form official names in day-to-day talk.
    "Czechia" and "Česko" are considered derogatory. So if you want to insult people, go ahead.

    The rest of us will continue calling it Czech Republic / Česká republika, despite the inconvenience (oh noes!) of being longer.

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  • Mez'
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    Originally posted by jacob View Post

    Except they really do. Of course if what you expect is something that looks and behaves like a classic unix system then for sure, using it as such today is not as easy as it once was and will only become harder and harder as the OS moves further down the path that the major players including (but by no means only) RedHat are driving. If on the other hand you accept to look at Linux as an OS on its own and don't expect it to always mimic something else, then the progress towards user friendliness and Just Working that has been accomplished is truly remarkable.
    I was only focusing on user friendliness, and I disagree that Red Hat really helps the Linux ecosystem in that specific aspect. Basically everything Red Hat comes up with feels less user friendly and harder to use (except, say, pulseaudio then pipewire).
    If it were not for other players and their pragmatism to rock the RH boat and have them remember what users actually want, Linux usage would fall down to (even more) negligible point percentages. If other players had RH financial means, I believe the ease of use would have improved tenfold.

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  • jacob
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    Originally posted by tildearrow View Post

    Open Source != communism

    Doesn't the GPL (and most open-source software licenses in general) allow for commercial use of the software? (e.g. selling copies of binaries/code)



    ....and those people earn money to live (98% of people require money to survive pretty much).
    If Linux was exclusively a hobby unpaid project, where is the incentive?
    I bet our graphics cards wouldn't have even worked under it if we did not have companies working for open-source.



    I hope you are kidding now. Let me tell you that systemd makes it super easy to set my server up and running.
    Sure, bash scripts may look simpler, but then when you have to handle a lot... *insert sounds of a collapsing attic*



    Do you really see this as a disadvantage?
    If it was very "l33t" I don't think you would have seen Wine or Steam on Linux, and it would cause Linux to have an even lower usage share on desktop.

    Also, I think you forgot about Canonical/Ubuntu... (they were the pioneers of user-friendly Linux)



    ​​​​​​​suckless = exchanging usability for simplicity



    Did you just run out of reasons to call Red Hat evil? ;p
    I suggest you look up "irony" in a dictionary

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  • tildearrow
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    Originally posted by jacob View Post

    Yeah but see, you don't understand. Here are the fundamental reasons why Red Hat is the devil, as seen on various forums. I'm not making up any of them:[*]RH is evil because it's a corporation. Open Source ought to be anticapitalist.
    Open Source != communism

    Doesn't the GPL (and most open-source software licenses in general) allow for commercial use of the software? (e.g. selling copies of binaries/code)

    Originally posted by jacob View Post
    [*]RH is evil because it employs people to work full time on FOSS software. Only spare time hobbyist coders should be allowed to touch it.
    ....and those people earn money to live (98% of people require money to survive pretty much).
    If Linux was exclusively a hobby unpaid project, where is the incentive?
    I bet our graphics cards wouldn't have even worked under it if we did not have companies working for open-source.

    Originally posted by jacob View Post
    [*]RH is evil because systemd/wayland/dbus/not-unix. Linux must not be allowed to innovate or break ranks with Unices. Any use case should be addressed exclusively using vigrepsedawk, or not at all.
    I hope you are kidding now. Let me tell you that systemd makes it super easy to set my server up and running.
    Sure, bash scripts may look simpler, but then when you have to handle a lot... *insert sounds of a collapsing attic*

    Originally posted by jacob View Post
    [*]RH is evil because it makes Linux easy to use and not l33t enough.
    Do you really see this as a disadvantage?
    If it was very "l33t" I don't think you would have seen Wine or Steam on Linux, and it would cause Linux to have an even lower usage share on desktop.

    Also, I think you forgot about Canonical/Ubuntu... (they were the pioneers of user-friendly Linux)

    Originally posted by jacob View Post
    [*]RH is evil because it makes it harder for me to get my crappy buggy minimal suckless window manager to be taken seriously
    ​​​​​​​suckless = exchanging usability for simplicity

    Originally posted by jacob View Post
    [*]RH is evil because reasons.
    Did you just run out of reasons to call Red Hat evil? ;p

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  • jacob
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    Originally posted by kpedersen View Post
    Red Hat could just as easily have leeched on other operating systems. It still would not have made them a company many people would want to engage with.
    Since we are talking about one of the main driving forces, both in terms of manpower and finances, behind Linux and the related ecosystem in general, you have a very unusual definition of leeching. Some would have thought that a leech is one who consumes everything, contributes nothing, pays for nothing and only whines on forums calling actual operators names without ever providing any actual argument despite being challenged to do it a couple of times now.

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