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  • They should fire the responsible people of that insane stupidity and make a substantial donation to compensate the damage, not just bad quality astroturfing.

    This makes the recent IBM controversy about an employee using his Gmail address instead IBM.com one and such look a lot more innocent in comparison.

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    • So this research did prove that you can put bugs easily into the kernel, I hope phoronix will make an article once the university publish the result of the investigation.

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      • Originally posted by coder View Post
        They tried government downsizing in the 1990s, but it ended up costing tax payers more to have the same services get outsourced and have to pay a 3rd party entity + the worker + a federal employee to ensure the contractors did the jobs they were hired to do.

        If you mean just making government do 90% less, that would put us on a fast track to being a failed state. Most people have no idea of the multiplicity of ways their lives, jobs, and our modern systems depend on government. This message is being pushed by wealthy and powerful corporations and individuals because government is the only thing keeping them from fully exploiting the people to the fullest degree possible.

        If you mean replacing bureaucrats with political appointees, that leads to politicization of the government and putting it in the pocket of whatever political party is in power. Having a non-partisan, professional federal workforce is far preferable to that. Government bureaucrats get attacked by the same forces that run contrary to the interests of the people, because bureaucrats are the front line workers of a government that's of the people, by the people, and for the people.

        The libertarian wet dream is just that -- a dream. It never happened and it never could. What you want is effectively just for wealthy elites to have even more wealth and power, while the masses get squeezed, poisoned, flooded, and extorted.
        Then eliminate the "services" ... you know very well that 90% of what the goverment does is spend money like no tomorrow. And when "outsourcing" they let the bids got to shitty companies like oracle that end up not even succeeding in providing the basic services. Literally the only federal services I have ever used are Interstates, and paying taxes.... I am fairly confident that the federal goverment could run the FDA, and EPA and the few other essential services WITHOUT, the bureaucrat head count.

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        • Originally posted by Kver View Post

          Your assumption that people with an interest in Linux want to see MS burn is just plain wrong.
          Really? Look at how long my original post has been up, and compare that with number of users who have actually come out to say that they don't.

          Answer: two. Just. TWO.

          I am making a direct accusation of double standards and hypocrisy against the active members of this forum, and only two have been able to come up and say that they don't think that way, even with the mask of anonymity protecting them. Because that's what most of this forum's members are.

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          • Originally posted by moilami View Post
            You are wrong in this. I don't even get it how all this "cancel culture rant" started up with a case where there was no free speech issues at all to begin with.
            I think you missed the sarcasm..

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            • Originally posted by Sonadow View Post
              I am making a direct accusation of double standards and hypocrisy against the active members of this forum, and only two have been able to come up and say that they don't think that way, even with the mask of anonymity protecting them. Because that's what most of this forum's members are.
              Or maybe, just maybe, no one wants to waste their time on your nonsense.

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              • Greg K-H's response is quite unforgiving:

                Thank you for your response. As you know, the Linux Foundation and the Linux Foundation's Technical Advisory Board submitted a letter on Friday to your University outlining the specific actions which need to happen in order for your group, and your University, to be able to work to regain the trust of the Linux kernel community. Until those actions are taken, we do not have anything further to discuss about this issue.
                https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/[email protected]/

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                • Originally posted by kingu View Post
                  How about once or twice, with something that actually does nothing, but appears to do damage?
                  You should be able to get much the same data by analysing how long discovered bugs stayed in the kernel between their introduction and discovery. There was absolutely no need to introduce bugs deliberately to get this data!

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                  • FYI: Greg Kroah-Hartman replied to the letter. Surprised this isn't being discussed at all (or included in the original article for that matter Michael ).

                    From what he replied, it sounds like he provided specific instructions to the university to follow if they wish to be unbanned.

                    Thank you for your response.

                    As you know, the Linux Foundation and the Linux Foundation's Technical
                    Advisory Board submitted a letter on Friday to your University outlining
                    the specific actions which need to happen in order for your group, and
                    your University, to be able to work to regain the trust of the Linux
                    kernel community.

                    Until those actions are taken, we do not have anything further to
                    discuss about this issue.

                    thanks,

                    greg k-h
                    https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/[email protected]/

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                    • Originally posted by DanL View Post

                      Or maybe, just maybe, no one wants to waste their time on your nonsense.
                      OP is making the usual mistake of the wacko end of free-speech advocacy: Thinking that their right to speak their mind carries with it an inherent requirement that others must listen, care, and, in this case bother to respond.
                      Free speech has never carried a guarantee of a captive audience!

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