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    Phoronix: University of Minnesota Linux "Hypocrite Commit" Researchers Publish Open Letter

    The drama in kernel land this week was University of Minnesota being banned from Linux kernel development over research they previously carried out looking at "hypocrite commits" and the possibility of intentionally introducing vulnerabilities (such as use-after-free bugs) into the kernel source tree. This weekend those researchers involved published an open latter to the Linux kernel community...

    https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...it-Open-Letter

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    They should be unbanned. Cancel culture has no place in a software movement whose foundational concepts are all derived from freedom of speech.

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    • #3
      To me the real drama is that we now live in a world where this is considered "research". I know I shouldn't be surprised when "universities" have long switched from Education to vocational training. Still I can't help it, to me "research" is supposed to mean fundamental advances in hard science, history or philosophy (and I don't mean intersectional studies).

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      • #4
        published an open latter
        anyhoo

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        • #5
          Originally posted by andyprough View Post
          They should be unbanned. Cancel culture has no place in a software movement whose foundational concepts are all derived from freedom of speech.
          Freedom of speech ends when you intentionally sabotage a project in the name of "research". To me, that's a crime.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by andyprough View Post
            They should be unbanned. Cancel culture has no place in a software movement whose foundational concepts are all derived from freedom of speech.
            In the unlikey event you are not a troll or trying to be sarcastic, while I'm 100% behind freedom of speech, it has never included knowingly spreading lies. Saying "andyprough is a serial killer" is not free speech, it's lie and defamation and spreading it would be illegal in every country I know of. By the same token, saying "here is a bugfix" that doesn't actually fix any bug but instead deliberately introduces one is not free speech; it's false advertising at the very least.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by andyprough View Post
              They should be unbanned. Cancel culture has no place in a software movement whose foundational concepts are all derived from freedom of speech.
              Greg K.H. never had any intention of banning them in reality, he was just saber rattling to make sure they understood the gravity of the situation. Are software autists really that bad at people skills to not realize this?

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              • #8
                The researchers offer their apologies to the community for any harm and the lack of communicating their study or permission from Linux stakeholders to do so. The letter noted, "we now understand that it was hurtful to the
                community to make it a subject of our research, and to waste its effort reviewing these patches without its knowledge or permission.
                "
                This is such a load of BS. What they did was a clear violation of ethics and standards in research that I believe the only thing they're really sorry about is that they got busted.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by andyprough View Post
                  They should be unbanned. Cancel culture has no place in a software movement whose foundational concepts are all derived from freedom of speech.
                  Wow, so you don't think intentionally contributing bugs to an open source project should merit getting future contributions rejected? You smokin' crack, dude? Even a high number of unintentional bugs should be enough to get someone banned.

                  Nobody has a right to contribute to the Linux kernel. This isn't about politics or culture, it's about protecting the security and integrity of the kernel.

                  Troll somewhere else, please.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tildearrow
                    Please stop. There may be a lot of good commits in there, so this is just regressing rather than progressing.
                    You may even end up breaking the kernel by doing that.......
                    Wow, for an editor, you haven't been reading a number of recent articles very carefully. The article stated that he hadn't followed through on that particular threat. I'd imagine there would be objections raised if he started backing out a lot of good commits.

                    I think it was a threat made in anger, and sounds like it was effective in letting people know what was at stake.

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