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  • #51
    I rushed to try WSLg (via the required insider preview) on my Lenovo Yoga C630 (AARCH64, and VERY broken for Linux support, despite having a dedicated DTB from the kernel since forever ago).
    It cannot be tried. WSLg requires WSL2 and will not operate with WSL1. Because Lenovo crippled this Yoga laptop by never releasing a firmware upgrade that allows enabling HW Virtualization (other companies making SDM850-based laptops did release updates, the chip is capable), Hyper-V and thus WSL2 are impossible on it, so WSLg is as well.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by fafreeman View Post
      this is solely about getting people off linux and onto windows for development. like i commented earlier, if microsoft truly loved linux like they claim, they would be contributing to wine and opening up direct x instead of doing this nonsense where they get linux gui programs running on windows via direct x without even opening up their api or even adopting an open api like opengl / vulkan to do so that is already cross platform. make windows and linux software easily cross platform with one another. rather than just solely focusing on getting linux software running on windows while neglecting the other side of the road.

      its a two way street and what microsoft has been doing is focusing only on the one side that leads to them. they're not treating linux as an equal. microsoft wants linux development on windows. microsoft wants everyone on windows for their platform of choice. i learned this first hand over on level1techs forums where they have been highlighting how windows is far better to develop for linux than linux now thanks to wsl. there's no point on using linux as a development platform as you get the massive windows eco system of native software plus you can now use your linux apps on windows.
      I honestly can't understand this position. Contributing to wine means hurting Windows' relevancy and using OpenGL/Vulkan over DirectX means ceding control to a third party, both of which is clearly against Microsoft's interests.

      Unless there's a customer (which theoretically might be MS itself should they ever decide to drop the NT kernel) willing to fund such work, it doesn't make sense for MS to do it.

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      • #53
        It's pretty obvious that Microsoft, having lost the fight for the server backend to Linux, is now instead spending bucketloads of money in an attempt to make Windows into a great environment for developing for Linux, thus tricking people (who kid themselves that they are developers) into thinking Linux is only a niche software platform that only needs to be deployed on the backend once and then never touched again. Kind of like an embedded platform.

        P.S. - To the people slandering socialism and communism as an evil that threatens the Linux ecosystem and needs to be purged: could you please realize that the Open Source model is essentially communism in a nutshell and stop spewing your nonsense? Kthxbye.

        P.S.2 - Gotta love the MS shills who try to praise the WSL as a Good Thing™ for Linux (and when I say "shills" I really just mean "idiots").

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        • #54
          Originally posted by JPFSanders View Post

          Fortunately many people aren't shills nor naive, what are you?
          I am just someone who happens to be old enough to remember Microsoft at their EEE finest.

          Those saying Microsoft has changed and jumping immediately onto things like WSL and VSCode are damaging the industry. It is embarrassing that so many developers don't learn.

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          • #55
            Year of the Linux Desktop

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            • #56
              In case anyone was wondering if you could use WSLg 2 on Windows on Linux, well yes you can!

              As long as you don't mind some black borders around GUI apps in WSLg, but oh well.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Nocifer View Post
                It's pretty obvious that Microsoft, having lost the fight for the server backend to Linux, is now instead spending bucketloads of money in an attempt to make Windows into a great environment for developing for Linux, thus tricking people (who kid themselves that they are developers) into thinking Linux is only a niche software platform that only needs to be deployed on the backend once and then never touched again. Kind of like an embedded platform.

                P.S. - To the people slandering socialism and communism as an evil that threatens the Linux ecosystem and needs to be purged: could you please realize that the Open Source model is essentially communism in a nutshell and stop spewing your nonsense? Kthxbye.

                P.S.2 - Gotta love the MS shills who try to praise the WSL as a Good Thing™ for Linux (and when I say "shills" I really just mean "idiots").
                OS/2 Warp and windows compatibility, blackberry and Android compatibility both of those prior examples did not land well for application support of those platforms.

                Wine has had positive and negative effects on the Linux platform as well.

                Question with those shills and idiots saying MSL is a Good thing for Linux are they also thinking it will be a bad thing for windows. Like this the possible that applications like mysql workbench in future drop the windows native binary and make only the Linux binary because windows does have Linux support.

                There is going to be a negative effect on the number of applications made native for windows by this change. Remember there are a lot of cross platform applications that don't need super good opengl/vulkan support but they need more than nothing.

                The dangerous thing about EEE stunts is it can cut exact other direction to the way the party who attempts to-do it expects.

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                • #58
                  Means one day I can start wine games with a chance that the amd driver is not crashing? Best thing ever happening to wine!

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by ATFx

                    I'm glad you admitted it's a product, a product that no one wanted but Microsoft to develop on Windows instead, you're just proving my point, and you're a con.
                    Yes, I'm proving your point, in fact, I'm on your side, I was complementing what you just said.

                    I agree with you mate.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by discordian View Post
                      Means one day I can start wine games with a chance that the amd driver is not crashing? Best thing ever happening to wine!
                      The AMD driver rarely crashes nowadays, at least for me, and I come from a very problematic R290 (and before that from a Nvidia 970 which served me pretty well BTW, I abandoned Nvidia because of closeness became an inconvenience)

                      Nowadays I have a RX480 and everything has been working like a champ for more than year and a half, it works so well I'm dying to get my hands on a RX6800.

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