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  • #11
    Originally posted by SilverFox View Post
    So, Jason Bourne is real!
    https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-prism...-spying-476785

    It was all the way back in 2013-2014 that it was exposed by Edward Snowden, so probably most Phoronix readers weren't even old enough to read news articles then.

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    • #12
      Google is not "providing" money, they pay for community service of maintaining a vital pice of code which they use to make money. And not even for a fair price, given that they use it mainly to lure people into a walled garden of their proprietary, marginally ethical services. The may open source (some) of their code, but the data remains theirs, while external interoperability of their services is virtually non-existent.

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      • #13
        Sometimes I think maybe Google purposely made Chromium difficult to compile. Certain source files in Chromium take upwards of 4GB of RAM to compile. How is that even possible? I compile the Linux kernel sources, and nothing takes more than maybe 200MB or 300MB of RAM to compile. The last time I compiled Chromium 90 on my Raspberry Pi 4, it took 4 or 5 days to complete.

        There are literally tens of thousands of source files in Chromium. There is no way any one person could possibly audit this code base in their lifetime. Google could slip any number of backdoors and malware in an obfuscated way into the code, and nobody would be the wiser...

        When Google talks about improving Linux security, I get the feeling they're most interested in making their Android devices locked down so hard that they can eventually make Google Play a walled garden just like Apple does on iOS. Where nobody gets to run unless Google (not the end user who supposedly owns the device) allows them in.
        Last edited by ed31337; 24 February 2021, 04:12 PM.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by kvuj View Post

          Things you only see in the phoronix comment section.
          Ah no, you will find being opposed to Google is widespread, especially outside the USA.

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          • #15
            There is a lot of Google hate here but on balance I'd rather use AOSP vs iOS, Chromium over IE, projectzero vs nothing, etc. The top domain used for kernel commits is .... gmail.com (265,133) the 13th is google.com (55,055) so thank you google for having some aspects less evil than the other large corperations. Now if they could just make a mamory safe cpu and os for the masses.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by ed31337 View Post
              Sometimes I think maybe Google purposely made Chromium difficult to compile. Certain source files in Chromium take upwards of 4GB of RAM to compile. How is that even possible? I compile the Linux kernel sources, and nothing takes more than maybe 200MB or 300MB of RAM to compile. The last time I compiled Chromium 90 on my Raspberry Pi 4, it took 4 or 5 days to complete.
              hats off for letting it finish!

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              • #17
                Originally posted by kvuj View Post
                How awesome Fuschia is. Check out Quarkslab's vulnerabilities they found in Fuschia. In any other OS, it would lead to privilege escalation but not in this one (thanks to it's microkernel design)
                Thanks for the link, I didn't finish it all yet, but so far a good read. Also, someone gave an interesting and (I'd say) informative comment on the Windows NT kernel, in fact speaking highly of it. Anyway, learned a bit here, good stuff.

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                • #18
                  Awesome /s Because I totally trust Google /s of all people /s to help with Security /s

                  Bro I don't think my Google Smart Shower TM needs a webcam on it and I'm not sure how to feel about my Google Sleep Cam TM.

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                  • #19
                    Google hates GPL-based software and wants to replace it with something that can be locked up. Who could've guessed?

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by ezst036 View Post
                      We need a kernel patch that would close all of Google's spyware loopholes. No computer is "secure" with Google installed.
                      This comment didn't make any sense to me, until I realized that you'd confused Google with Microsoft.

                      I trust Google's Linux contributions because it's about control. Google already has a lock on the browser and the main services in Android, so they don't need to compromise the OS to collect the personal data that is their lifeblood.

                      On the contrary, they depend on Linux being secure because they run it on their own systems and use it in their products. And if it's not secure, then that could be exploited by a competitor or worse, leading to either indirect or direct harm to Google.

                      Imagine if someone launched a mass ransomware attack on billions of Android phones at once, and demanded that Google pay them a few $ to unlock each one? That would destroy Android's popularity, overnight, and put Google in a very awkward position.

                      Another scenario is that someone hacks Google and steals some of their data troves. That creates new competitive pressure and could also blow up in a very public way, leading to new laws that restrict Google's activities.

                      So, yeah, regardless of how you feel about Google's morality and business practices, I do actually trust their work on the Linux kernel. For that matter I also feel Chrome and Android are reasonable secure (from others) and for the same reasons.

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