Data Suggests CoC + Outreachy Hasn't Helped Increase Female Participation In Debian

[lyamc]

you talk like you are a person with IQ of 220 and a master degree in STEM/computer science and math
and anyone who has even only IQ of 219 is a person for you with no legs who claims he can walk.

thats some kind of Elitism. maybe you think a person without IQ220 and master degree in STEM is not allowed to do anything also not writing in the phoronix forum.

Why do you need to be an expert in something to discuss it? I criticized your lack of awareness in life.

and you write about hitler and superiority later in this post.

maybe you are the one who believes in his own superiority.

One of these things not like the other 🎶

this kind of arrogance in most cases result is something like you do not want to chat with me because i am to stupid for you.

Stupid I can work with. The problem is you don’t realize that there is a gulf between you and reality, and the result is stupid statements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroots_democracy

it is very easy what i talk about. i am sure you can unterstand.

If you cannot define something then how can you even understand what it means?

right now we life in system of the elites means all the elites from judges and soldiers and police make a oath on the elite made

_snip_

well if you really unterstand our justice system then you can no longer sleep at night.

but 99,99% of all people know nothing about this and they believe it is all normal and they have all rights.
what is clearly wrong humans and administrators have much more rights than a person.

For the sake of those still reading this I removed all of your rambling.

Here’s a pro-tip, avoid the shotgun approach. You asked like 10 questions within a rant and the simple reason why you have so many questions is because you have no foundation.

Your ramblings remind me of a schizophrenic person I knew. They strung words together but logic just wasn’t there. You start off in a wrong place, so then everything after that is also wrong.

It might help you to know that I have average IQ, nothing special. IQ doesn’t translate to smart or dumb, but rather the mental flexibly someone has. It take me a while to understand new concepts, but someone with a high IQ is able to understand them quicker.

And it’s clear by you talking about IQ that you don’t even know what it is measuring. Knowledge is not IQ. Me knowing more about a subject than you has nothing to do with IQ.

I’ve watched you spent a lot of time in this thread talk about the important of IQ, then claim you had high IQ (2% or 98 percentile is extremely rare and your numbers are seriously wrong). It’s sad. It looks like you stake your whole identity on how much IQ you have.

No one cares.

All I see is maniac rambling with no end in sight and desperate cries for attention.

Next time, go point by point, address the fundamental purpose of the reply. Be precise. Ask few questions. Asking many questions tells me that you don’t know.

By now you should have established that I think you’re someone who seriously lacks self-awareness, is insecure, and hasn’t spent the time to research the very topics you want to discuss.

If you want the direction of this conversation to shift then you need to address those issues. If you sound incompetent and uneducated, I would not listen to what you have to say. Prove me wrong. Show some competence.

How can you know if you have a better solution to a problem if you don’t understand the current problem, nor why the current solution exists!

And finally, don’t ask someone else for proof of why your solution for a made up problem wouldn’t work. You don’t know why because you don’t understand the problem. And because you don’t understand the problem, your solution is terrible.

[qarium]

If you cannot define something then how can you even understand what it means?

what can you not unterstand about: basis democratic referendum ? called grassroot democratic vote?
in such a system you do not have elites you do not even have politicians and no parlament.
just the people who vote on things directly. without a middle man like Politician.

right now we have the complete opposite we have middle man means elites like Politicians and judges and so one and so one.

For the sake of those still reading this I removed all of your rambling.
Here’s a pro-tip, avoid the shotgun approach. You asked like 10 questions within a rant and the simple reason why you have so many questions is because you have no foundation.
Your ramblings remind me of a schizophrenic person I knew. They strung words together but logic just wasn’t there. You start off in a wrong place, so then everything after that is also wrong.

well your world is very simple. "You start off in a wrong place, so then everything after that is also wrong."
and some simple thetoric tactics to: argumentum ad hominem / argumentum ad personam (a schizophrenic person)

everything is wrong for you so you can sleep at night very well.

It might help you to know that I have average IQ, nothing special. IQ doesn’t translate to smart or dumb, but rather the mental flexibly someone has. It take me a while to understand new concepts, but someone with a high IQ is able to understand them quicker.
And it’s clear by you talking about IQ that you don’t even know what it is measuring. Knowledge is not IQ. Me knowing more about a subject than you has nothing to do with IQ.
I’ve watched you spent a lot of time in this thread talk about the important of IQ, then claim you had high IQ (2% or 98 percentile is extremely rare and your numbers are seriously wrong). It’s sad. It looks like you stake your whole identity on how much IQ you have.

I did multible IQ tests in my life. and your statement "Knowledge is not IQ." is just wrong because the IQ tests i did also check Knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsl...lligence_Scale
these tests like WAIS have multible different kind of small tests. some of them check knowlegde about society.
some of them do not test knowledge and only check for logic skills or some 3D visulation tests.

for example in one iq test i did there was a module checking knowlege they asked: who is the current US president answer was: Obama ... this is only knowlege about society and if you just check for intelligence without knowlege this kind of question should not be part of the test.
if you check this picture: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._structure.png
there is one fild: information... thats the knowlege part they check basic knowlege about society in theory it is because stupid people collected less knowlege about society and smart people collect more information.

but you see they test many things and yes knowlege is only a small part.

you do not believe in the "important of IQ" but if you see what they check to calculate the -IQ you can unterstand thats it is important skills they check.

All I see is maniac rambling with no end in sight and desperate cries for attention.

there is theory about this "maniac rambling" for a stupid man there is no difference between a maniac and a Genius.
thats because the stupid man does not unterstand anything what a Genius does. so for the stupid man the maniac does the same than a genius.
thats because only a intelligent man can unterstand what a intelligent man does.
a stupid man can never unterstand what a intelligent man does.

i do not say you are stupid. i just want to inform you that only because someone looks like a maniaj so someone does not mean that he is what he looks like to the stupid man.

Next time, go point by point, address the fundamental purpose of the reply. Be precise. Ask few questions. Asking many questions tells me that you don’t know.
By now you should have established that I think you’re someone who seriously lacks self-awareness, is insecure, and hasn’t spent the time to research the very topics you want to discuss.

you clearly don't know me. reality is: i did research on any topic
i research all day and night and read 100 of articles per day and research 100 of wikipedia pages per day.

and be sure i am not insecure... i am very secure (you do not have to believe this anyway)

If you want the direction of this conversation to shift then you need to address those issues. If you sound incompetent and uneducated, I would not listen to what you have to say. Prove me wrong. Show some competence.
How can you know if you have a better solution to a problem if you don’t understand the current problem, nor why the current solution exists!
And finally, don’t ask someone else for proof of why your solution for a made up problem wouldn’t work. You don’t know why because you don’t understand the problem. And because you don’t understand the problem, your solution is terrible.

i think its hard to show you competence...

there are multible studys about countries who have grassroot elements and countries who don't have any of grassroot elements. and these studys show that countries who have grassroot democratic vote do better than the others.

Switzerland has some grassroot elements.

USA don't have grassroot elements.

and i am sure the people in Switzerland have better life than in the usa.

[lyamc]

I find it hilarious that you say “to a stupid man there is no difference between the ramblings of a mad man and a genius”

You’re no genius.

>what can you not unterstand about: basis democratic referendum ? called grassroot democratic vote?

Essentially, you are prescribing anti-histamines to deal with a sore back.

You need to demonstrate how your solution will solve the problem, and precisely how it is better than the current system.

It is extremely hard to replace something in society that works, and you have no idea how functional it is until you break it.

>you clearly don't know me. reality is: i did research on any topic
i research all day and night and read 100 of articles per day and research 100 of wikipedia pages per day.

I already pointed this out earlier: you jump from idea to idea without stopping ping enough to realize that an idea doesn’t work at all.

And it’s all due to a lack of correctly identifying the problem.

You went on a rant about “rich bitches” when reality couldn’t be further from the truth.

>Ad hominenum

Here’s the difference: I don’t claim your arguments are stupid because you’re an idiot, I claim you’re an idiot because your arguments are stupid.

>and be sure i am not insecure... i am very secure (you do not have to believe this anyway)

If you weren’t insecure then you wouldn’t reply to that, at all. If I make fun of your hair in a reply and you take the time to talk about how your hair is actually normal, it signals to me and others that you’re insecure about your hair.

Here’s an example of an incredibly stupid statement that you made

>Switzerland has grassroots elements and USA doesn’t, and since it is better to live in Switzerland, grassroots elements are successful.

The first problem is you don’t provide any specifics. Even if you’re right you never provided examples and never provided causation.

I have no horse in this race, I don’t live in the USA. Something it need to qualify is the “better than” portion.

I understand USA spends more money on healthcare and has worse health outcomes, but that’s not something cause by “grassroots elements” but rather, companies, or, bad actors, using a few passionate people to convince the rest of the country that Universal Healthcare is communism, or it takes away your rights, or some other stupid reason.

Another problem is you already defined “grassroots elements” as uneducated people.

Uneducated people are really easy to manipulate or whip up into a riot.

The political divide is not caused from a lack of grassroots elements. The two political sides are living in completely different world and the news media encourages it.

Another issue that you ignore is the sheer size of the USA. It is unable to foster an identity as the Swiss have because there is so much multiculturalism.

And it’s not like I’m saying that people shouldn’t ever organize as a community to work towards something. I said your idea of a grassroots democratic judge is stupid because you need educated people in charge

[lyamc]

Another unapproved comment so here’s something

in the last 3000 years we can say for sure that the cases of people in charge abuse their power was always part of human history. not a single one of them deserved to be in charge.

You have a very simple worldview that is also incorrect.

I don’t know how you could have spent so much time research and come to such a braindead conclusion.

Life was hard for everyone up until recently, and somehow we got from a time when people were dying constantly to a point where people weren’t dying constantly, and you believe there was no one who deserved to be in charge.

I’d also like to qualify that statement “deserved to be in charge”

What do you think makes someone deserving of being in charge? Because according to your earlier comments it is anyone who people decide should be the leader.

People also decided that their government should be overthrown in 1932. I guess Hitler did really deserve to lead!

how do you detect if someone deserve to be in charge ?

By displaying competence when given responsibility.

Someone who is able to run a business successfully may be chosen to be the mayor at some point. Why? His business is successful so he is competent and we want competent people in charge.

As mayor he would gain a new responsibility which means that he shouldn’t try to pass laws that specifically help his old business. If he is able to fulfill that responsibility then he gains trust.

because its clear a good school degree or good university degree DOES NOT say anything about your character.

Really? Getting a degree in law, science, engineering, mathematics doesn’t say anything about your work ethic or your overall intelligence?

the greatest assholes on earth can have good school degree and good university degree.

That’s statement applies to everyone who has ever lived and ever will live.

There’s always going to be awful people, but you’ve got your blinders on so you blame EVERYTHING on the people in charge, and not why or how they got there in the first place.

You don’t think that your “grassroots movements” couldn’t be co-opted? By now you should already know how easy it is to fool a group of people even when they have knowledge, and you want to have specifically uneducated people to solve these problems?

Good luck, you’ll fail.

[lyamc]

Just wanted to give some reading to you. It might help you grapple with your hatred of the elite and your ignorance of why they’re where they are in society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotka%27s_law

[qarium]

I don’t know how you could have spent so much time research and come to such a braindead conclusion.

dude i do full time opensource intelligence research for like 15-20 years in the internet.
if my conclusion sounds braindead to you ... well thats maybe because you did not do 20 years full time resarch on the internet.

you did not even say anything about why you think it is braindead.

Life was hard for everyone up until recently, and somehow we got from a time when people were dying constantly to a point where people weren’t dying constantly, and you believe there was no one who deserved to be in charge.

wrong in the last 5000 years the life was never hard for the "Elites" it was only hard for the 99%
believe me if you have slaves for every task you have hard work to perform your life then nothing is hard for you.
even today we have more slaves than ever.
this slavery just developed to be more clever and more cloaked to the slaves.

and they only abadoned the visible slavery and not the invisible slavery also the USA turned privat slavery in government slavery of the prison industry who prisoners do slavery jobs as punishment and the goverment create more fake laws to incrase the amount of people who are forced to perform slavery jobs in the prison system.
also modern money system turned anyone who is not on wellfare into debt slaves and wage slaves.

if you work to pay your debt off and your debt does have interest and compound interest and also tax then you are a slave because in the end you will never ever be free or of the debt.

you can proof this by a single fact: dollars FIAT money is created by the central bank by debt this is the money what is in circulation. now without interest and compound interest you can pay it back and job is done but if the central bank does interest and compount interest then the money in circulation NEVER fits to the money who is needed to pay back the debt.
you can only pay it back if NEW money is created to pay back the interest and compount interest.
but new money is again only created with debt and interest and compount interest.

this means: the central bank wins always and the people lose always it is invisible slavery.

I’d also like to qualify that statement “deserved to be in charge”
What do you think makes someone deserving of being in charge? Because according to your earlier comments it is anyone who people decide should be the leader.

yes i get the point you are anti-populist elitist who thinks that someone is in charge if not elected by democratic vote.

and in your point of view my way is the irrational mob rule who destroys everthing thats why your hitler reference is next.

People also decided that their government should be overthrown in 1932. I guess Hitler did really deserve to lead!

are you german? i am german and i study this topic for like 15+ years.
you have deep misunterstanding in how "overthrown" a government looks like-

in fact hitler was not overthrowning the government because HE WAS THE GOVERNMENT.

i tell you the reason why the people elected him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

before this the NSDAP National socialist party) was very small and had no government power.
it was because of the Holodomor and Soviet famine in 1932-33 the communists killed more than 10 million people..
after this the NSDAP and Hitlers anti-communist rhetoric become popular and the small party NSDAP did become big.

some people claim it was "overthrown" and not elected because the NSDAP itself did not have the parlament seats
to ALONE elect hitler. yes but this only comes from US people with their 2 party system. Germany don't have 2 party system we have many partys. this means the parlament seats of elected politicans form other partys combines with the NSDAP people
had in fact a democratic majority.

so it is a fact that he did not "overthrown" the government instead he was in fact the rightfull elected leader of germany.

yes yes now you elitist anti-populist come up and say: anyone who is democraticly elected is not allowed to rule because only the elites and their anti-populist agenda is a rightfull leader. what a bullshit.

[QUOTE=lyamc;n1239268]
By displaying competence when given responsibility.

your logic is completely broken because inside your logic if you are not “deserved to be in charge” then you will never get
a change to be responsible. and by this you can never proof your competence.
thats because inside your logic you only come into this positision if you are competent and because of this you "“deserved to be in charge”".
so it is complete bullshit. you are a complete failure in logic. just tell me what is the mechanism what magically give you responsibilty to proof your competence ?????
yes its magic... magic magic magic... like God or Jesus or Penis or whatever.
you reject democratic vote as a mechanism... so yes you don't tell the world what is the magic mechanism.

its complete bullshit you never told the mechanism and by this it is complete fraud.
your political system is a complete Fraud based on Elitism and anti-populism.

i still wait for this to happen for so many good people or even myself: "By displaying competence when given responsibility."
but in fact it never happens. and it does not happen because the mechanism what performs this is a "Secret"
yes i know your anti-popuilist secret society has some rule in doing this and you love to be fucked by these people thats for sure.

Someone who is able to run a business successfully may be chosen to be the mayor at some point. Why? His business is successful so he is competent and we want competent people in charge.

dude i know successfull people like this in person and in privat. and i know it is all based on fraud and lies and corrupt beeings and blackmail and crime and screw over people and bulling and secret society bullsiht and backroom deals and more.

your complete system is a complete fraud. and the irony is: the most successfull people of them don't do any usefull they are parasites like tax laywers who only abuse the system to the legal limit.
yes the most successfull of these people are complete parasite and useless for the society imagine next day all these people
die instandly... you will miss nothing no one will miss anything.
because they produce nothing and no one has any benefit from their work.
it is the complete opposite 65% of all politicans in parlament studied law in university and they design the laws in a way that no normal person unterstand it and it is complete bullshit bingo only to force hard working people that they need the help of a
Tax-laywer or normal laywer. but the system is designed this way in a way that these parasites have good life and hard working people lose their money.

As mayor he would gain a new responsibility which means that he shouldn’t try to pass laws that specifically help his old business. If he is able to fulfill that responsibility then he gains trust.

what a complete bullshit the only kind of people who gets this possition in your world is people who do: "fraud and lies and corrupt beeings and blackmail and crime and screw over people and bulling and secret society bullsiht and backroom deals and more."

but in your world exactly this "gains trust" the so called Pedo blackmail pupped master show....

this means your trusted people fuck children and kill them life on camera and this is used to blackmail them to make perfect pupped to your overlord master. the so called anti-populist Elites.

hell yes you are you are you are. LOL

[lyamc]

dude i do full time opensource intelligence research for like 15-20 years in the internet.
if my conclusion sounds braindead to you ... well thats maybe because you did not do 20 years full time resarch on the internet.

you did not even say anything about why you think it is braindead.

I think your research is too specialized to the point where "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail"

wrong in the last 5000 years the life was never hard for the "Elites" it was only hard for the 99%

Really? Never hard? Here's a fun one: if something happens that is completely out of your control, there's a pretty giant chance that an angry mob will kill you and your family.

Lose a war? You and your entire family is killed.

Someone else gets into power? You and your entire family is killed.

Everyone wants to be in power so everyone around you is suspect, no one likes you for -you- but rather for your position.

are you german? i am german and i study this topic for like 15+ years.
you have deep misunterstanding in how "overthrown" a government looks like-

in fact hitler was not overthrowning the government because HE WAS THE GOVERNMENT.

Overthrow: to remove forcibly from power.

The moment Hitler had the chance he removed literally everyone else from power, even when he did not have the seats required to do so.

Why do I say that the people supported this? Because 52% of the vote was for the Nazi party or the Communist Party, both of whom believed in solving the problem with violence. They were proven when they were able to ban an anti-war film by rioting.

believe me if you have slaves for every task you have hard work to perform your life then nothing is hard for you.
even today we have more slaves than ever.
this slavery just developed to be more clever and more cloaked to the slaves.

Being born into a system which you did not have the free-will to choose to be born into doesn't make you a slave.

but in your world exactly this "gains trust" the so called Pedo blackmail pupped master show....

I think the only proof that you're not a teenager is that your account was created in 2008.

this means your trusted people fuck children and kill them life on camera and this is used to blackmail them to make perfect pupped to your overlord master. the so called anti-populist Elites.

hell yes you are you are you are. LOL

Seriously, get some help, talk to a therapist.

[qarium]

I find it hilarious that you say “to a stupid man there is no difference between the ramblings of a mad man and a genius”
You’re no genius.

how exactly do you know this ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

I say for you "there is no difference between the ramblings of a mad man and a genius"

Essentially, you are prescribing anti-histamines to deal with a sore back.
You need to demonstrate how your solution will solve the problem, and precisely how it is better than the current system.
It is extremely hard to replace something in society that works, and you have no idea how functional it is until you break it.

your definition of this society is that it works
my definition of this society is that it clearly don't work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932011_Icelandic_financial_crisis

just see the 2008 finance crisis of the iceland isle.
they solved the crisis by just put the Elite Bankers into prison. problem solved.

this is how real Democracy works.

but for sure you don't like it because of this you talk about hitler all the time.

I already pointed this out earlier: you jump from idea to idea without stopping ping enough to realize that an idea doesn’t work at all.
And it’s all due to a lack of correctly identifying the problem.

your world is very simple: you are the only one who can correctly identifying the problem
ans as always in your world i am the one who is insane and need help for my psychological insanity.

man i really wish i could have simple would like you have.

You went on a rant about “rich bitches” when reality couldn’t be further from the truth.

so you just denie the fact that it is proofen by studies that rich bitches choose not to be in computer science...
and compared to this poor women choose computer sceience to earn money....

>Ad hominenum
Here’s the difference: I don’t claim your arguments are stupid because you’re an idiot, I claim you’re an idiot because your arguments are stupid.

yes and as always you are the only one in this world who knows this for sure.
and for sure any other person who reads this and did not agree to you is an idiot to.

Here’s an example of an incredibly stupid statement that you made
>Switzerland has grassroots elements and USA doesn’t, and since it is better to live in Switzerland, grassroots elements are successful.
The first problem is you don’t provide any specifics. Even if you’re right you never provided examples and never provided causation.
I have no horse in this race, I don’t live in the USA. Something it need to qualify is the “better than” portion.

"Switzerland - average income is 86,79 US-Dollar"
"USA - average income is 70.846,95 US-Dollar"

for me it looks like Switzerland is doing better than the USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-direct_democracy#Switzerland

wellfare in Switzerland: A single person receives 3.114,23 US-Dollar in social assistance
wellfare in the USA: 156,56 US-Dollar in social welfare + vouchers for an additional 180,65 US-Dollar

well you see wellfare in Switzerland is high because of grassroot democracy elements and also because of this the average income is high.

compared to this wellfare in the USA is low and grassroot cemocracy is near non existent in the usa and the average income because of this is low compared to switzerland.

[lyamc]

how exactly do you know this ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Ironic.

I say for you "there is no difference between the ramblings of a mad man and a genius"

No, there most certainly is. I’ve worked a few years in mental health care a d met some truly mad people.

The mad people have no consistency, no fluency. You could study their speech for years and never interpret anything aside from garbage.

The genius might *sound* crazy but if you take the time to think about it, you start to understand just how brilliant he actually is.

[qarium]

Ironic.
No, there most certainly is. I’ve worked a few years in mental health care a d met some truly mad people.
The mad people have no consistency, no fluency. You could study their speech for years and never interpret anything aside from garbage.
The genius might *sound* crazy but if you take the time to think about it, you start to understand just how brilliant he actually is.

yes it is really Ironic that a person with Dunning–Kruger effect thinks he is competent to make distinction between truly mad peopel and some genius who might sound crazy to him.

it would be really interesting to meet your victims to check if they are what you think they are or maybe they are just your victims and need help against people like you.

just give me the name and adress of these people and i will send high intelligent psychiatrist to check these people.