Data Suggests CoC + Outreachy Hasn't Helped Increase Female Participation In Debian

[lyamc]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_intelligence

Isn't it funny you have a wikipedia link and i have a wikipedia link to.
you claim something like your link proof the mob is stupid and my link claims the mob has intelligence.

That's called irony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

believe it ot not my IQ is well above average. for sure you will not believe it.
but who cares? i do not have a ego that is hurt if you do not believe in me.

in general i can say phoronix.com readers and phoronix forum writers have in average a IQ well above average.
even these left/BLM/communits here are in this cadegory.
looks like stupid people have no interest in computer science or tech and because of this they do not follow phoronix.com .

this means to call here anyone stupid like you do "about IQ I find it surprising that you don’t seem to have much yourself"
is right next to insanity. just write something outside a tech forum and you will be stunned how stupid people can be.

I find it amazing that you can use so many words to say nothing of value. Perhaps you do have higher than average IQ, statistically, you have a 50% chance of being right.

Unfortunately, that also means that there is a 50% chance that you're wrong.

And if you believe in science you must also believe that both possibilities should be explored before you can come to a conclusion.

you do not want grassroot judge system and i do not want elite judge so maybe talk about an AI system.

What are you talking about? Grassroot judges? Elite judges?

for sure the AI system should be opensource and also FLOSS.

You're so incredibly short-sighted and naïve. You somehow think that this AI system will come about of a collaborative effort built from a community of like-minded people.

No.

AI will be just another tool that is used to keep those at the top, at the top.

if many people help to develop the opensource code in a way everyone or lets say 75% can agree to(grassroot vote) then your claim a "Leader" is in charge is a complete lie. because in such a system no single person would be a "Leader"
well your interpretation is a little bit different you want a "Leader" like Linus Torvalds for that kind of project.
well why not elect the Leader by grassroot democratic vote ?
or how do you detect that person who rends to be the most competent (Meritocracy) ???
even if i agree that the most competent (Meritocracy) should be the Leader of such a project then still what is your way to detect who is the most competent ? and for sure you claim if we do grassroot democratic vote the leader of a AI judge system it will be not the most competent person because you claim the mob is stupid.

The mob is stupid. You really should have read that wikipedia article if you didn't know that. Maybe hop onto some twitch streamer's chat. Or maybe log into reddit. It's so easy to fool a lot of people by having a few people enthusiastically support you.

ok just tell me outside of Dictatorshipment who the Leader use military force to come into power how do you detect your most competent Leader ?...

Competence is something that is displayed, proven in actions. It has been happening since you were born and you just haven't thought about it because you seem to be so focused at jumping from one idea to the next that you never dwell on a single one for long enough to understand that you know nothing about it and that instead you should just shut up.

[qarium]

That's called irony: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony

yes its irony... but can you enjoy it?

I find it amazing that you can use so many words to say nothing of value. Perhaps you do have higher than average IQ, statistically, you have a 50% chance of being right.
Unfortunately, that also means that there is a 50% chance that you're wrong.
And if you believe in science you must also believe that both possibilities should be explored before you can come to a conclusion.

i am not in the 50% range means 100-220 i am more in the 2% range means ~130-220...

What are you talking about? Grassroot judges? Elite judges?

its very simple you have a court case and you do grassroot democratic vote about it. thats the non-elite version.
compared to this any judge with university degree is "Elite"

You're so incredibly short-sighted and naïve. You somehow think that this AI system will come about of a collaborative effort built from a community of like-minded people.
No.
AI will be just another tool that is used to keep those at the top, at the top.

thats maybe true but remember i was not for AI judge or elite judges i was for grassroot democratic vote.

The mob is stupid.

the truth is in the past of our writing it was about has the mob intelligence or is the mob stupid
but i have some bad news for you because the truth is any human has "Bias" thats just another word for any human is stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

if you see this wikipedia artikle there are like 1000 cognitive bias and i do not know a single human beeing who is not fooled by one of these bias.
this means the opposite of your conclusion that the mob is stupid is also wrong an individual is also stupid because he has Bias.

so whats the point ? if everyone is stupid and Bias we are doomed anyway.

You really should have read that wikipedia article if you didn't know that. Maybe hop onto some twitch streamer's chat. Or maybe log into reddit. It's so easy to fool a lot of people by having a few people enthusiastically support you.

believe it or not i have no Ego i do not need few people enthuiastically support me.

Competence is something that is displayed, proven in actions. It has been happening since you were born and you just haven't thought about it because you seem to be so focused at jumping from one idea to the next that you never dwell on a single one for long enough to understand that you know nothing about it and that instead you should just shut up.

i have just a simple question about this: do you think that anything you write or do is based on Competence?

and do you think that anything i write or do is based on incompetence?

[qarium]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_mentality

according to your source a grassroot democratic vote justice system would work.
to quote your source: "Through 18 trials total, Asch (1951) found that one third (33%) of naive participants conformed with the clearly incorrect majority, with 75% of participants over the 12 trials. Less than 1% of participants gave the wrong answer when there were no confederates.^[2]"
if only 33% are fooled by bad actors and wrong clearly incorrect then 66% would be right.

this means your effect would not have any impact on a grassroot democratic justice system. because 33% can not outvote the 66%

[duby229]

according to your source a grassroot democratic vote justice system would work.
to quote your source: "Through 18 trials total, Asch (1951) found that one third (33%) of naive participants conformed with the clearly incorrect majority, with 75% of participants over the 12 trials. Less than 1% of participants gave the wrong answer when there were no confederates.^[2]"
if only 33% are fooled by bad actors and wrong clearly incorrect then 66% would be right.

this means your effect would not have any impact on a grassroot democratic justice system. because 33% can not outvote the 66%

OT: I'm just saying that's not quite true. In a political system where 3 or more parties have voting power then a 33% -can- win elections. That's why political systems with -only- 2 parties work fairly. That's why everybody needs to pick a side... Picking a side is the -only- fair thing you can do. Voting for a 3rd party like Independent or Socialist or Libertarian is literally retarded.

[lyamc]

according to your source a grassroot democratic vote justice system would work.
[snip]
if only 33% are fooled by bad actors and wrong clearly incorrect then 66% would be right.

this means your effect would not have any impact on a grassroot democratic justice system. because 33% can not outvote the 66%

This is the difference between reading something and understanding.

See this?


Even though everyone can clearly see that C is the same as the Target Line, the bad actors were able to fool a third.

You could provide a room of 100 people with evidence that the holocaust happened, but a couple retards can fool A THIRD of everyone into believing that the holocaust never happened.

Oh my god I cannot believe how stupid you are.

Imagine how many people you can convince of something that is not true when there is no refutable evidence right there to immediately defuse the lie?

[lyamc]

Welp, unapproved comment. I'll try again:

This is the image in the test that you cited:


Clearly, the Target Line is the same length as C, and yet, despite being able to see with their own eyes and have the evidence right in front of them, a THIRD of them were convinced by bad actors.

I really hope you find some help.

[qarium]

Welp, unapproved comment. I'll try again:
This is the image in the test that you cited:

Clearly, the Target Line is the same length as C, and yet, despite being able to see with their own eyes and have the evidence right in front of them, a THIRD of them were convinced by bad actors.
I really hope you find some help.

your study you make your conclusion on is simple a "Trap" to fool people.
can you proof that in a grassroot court room there is a trap to?
can you even proof that in a grassroot court situation there is even any bad actors ?

you can not even proof that in a grassroot court situatio is any bad actor but you claim "THIRD of them were convinced by bad actors"
the situation in your study is clearly different to the grassroot court situation-

also because of this: it's public man if a bad actor fools people anyone can und will see it.
so the bad actor maybe do it 1 time and then his reputation is ruined for life.

thats like you have a study on rats (clear different situation) and then you claim real world is the same like the rats study.

[lyamc]

yes its irony... but can you enjoy it?

It depends on if you think it's funny to watch someone with no legs claim that they can walk.

i am not in the 50% range means 100-220 i am more in the 2% range means ~130-220...

😂

its very simple you have a court case and you do grassroot democratic vote about it. thats the non-elite version.
compared to this any judge with university degree is "Elite"

You didn't define anything. Grassroot in this case is just a buzzword.

What you've just said: you'd like uneducated people to make legal decisions that have a lasting impact that can cause ripples for generations, and you'd like those educated people to suddenly just decide that THEY'RE the ones who make (interpret) the rules now!

Sure, I bet that will go great. Let me know if you survive the purge.

thats maybe true but remember i was not for AI judge or elite judges i was for grassroot democratic vote.

I didn't say that using an AI to judge us was necessarily a bad thing. I mocked your framing of the whole issue of being between three choices. No. You have people in charge and if you aren't in charge then perhaps you never deserved to be in charge.

the truth is in the past of our writing it was about has the mob intelligence or is the mob stupid
but i have some bad news for you because the truth is any human has "Bias" thats just another word for any human is stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

if you see this wikipedia artikle there are like 1000 cognitive bias and i do not know a single human beeing who is not fooled by one of these bias.
this means the opposite of your conclusion that the mob is stupid is also wrong an individual is also stupid because he has Bias.

That's exactly right, individuals, as well as groups, are stupid. The difference is the group is more stupider because of herd mentality:

"Herd mentality, mob mentality and pack mentality, also lesser known as gang mentality, describes how people can be influenced by their peers to adopt certain behaviors on a largely emotional, rather than rational, basis. When individuals are affected by mob mentality, they may make different decisions than they would have individually."

What this means is no matter how high your IQ is, you get into a group, there is an extremely high chance that you'll be swept up in the emotions and act in a way that you never would have as an individual.

so whats the point ? if everyone is stupid and Bias we are doomed anyway.

What? How could realizing that you have flaws be a nightmare? Do you know how hard it is to solve a problem when you don't realize you have a problem?!

believe it or not i have no Ego i do not need few people enthuiastically support me.

I was referring to "bad actors"

And, you're a liar, everyone has an ego.

i have just a simple question about this: do you think that anything you write or do is based on Competence?

and do you think that anything i write or do is based on incompetence?

I think what you write is based on nothing but ideas that pop into your head. Because they're in your head, you can see how they connect and to you it is all very profound.

But you don't even understand how people interact, like something as basic as choosing a leader, while still suggesting that your way is the best way.

Maybe you need to learn why the current way is the way it is and then go from there. Or, better yet, try to disprove your hypothesis. Find out where your own theory breaks down and you won't be so demolished the next time you try to argue with a random person who cares just enough because for some reason you feel the need to spam your conspiracy garbage all over this site like verbal diarrhea without having someone put your ideas back in the sewer where they belong.

If someone on here was claiming race superiority I would do the same thing. I don't want people to associate phoronix with you.

[lyamc]

your study you make your conclusion on is simple a "Trap" to fool people.
can you proof that in a grassroot court room there is a trap to?
can you even proof that in a grassroot court situation there is even any bad actors ?

you can not even proof that in a grassroot court situatio is any bad actor but you claim "THIRD of them were convinced by bad actors"
the situation in your study is clearly different to the grassroot court situation-

also because of this: it's public man if a bad actor fools people anyone can und will see it.
so the bad actor maybe do it 1 time and then his reputation is ruined for life.

Dude. Hitler was arrested for trying to overthrow the government in 1924 and people loved him even more. That's when he was able to write his "bestseller".

Tell me again how a bad actor does it once and no one believes them.

Bad actors are like idea parasites that jump from person to person until they find a host.

thats like you have a study on rats (clear different situation) and then you claim real world is the same like the rats study.

You don't even know why studies are done with rats. Rats are simple, and share many similar social behaviours. Here's an example.

A young rat is removed from the love and care from their mother after they are born.

They are fed and provided room to exercise, given artificial warmth and petted with a paintbrush to stabilize sleep patterns.

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/publications/observer/obsonline/how-mother-child-separation-causes-neurobiological-vulnerability-into-adulthood.html

Hofer and colleagues also studied the effect of separation on rats in adolescence and adulthood. When submitted to a 24-hour period of immobilization, 80% of adolescent rats who were removed from their mothers before weaning were found to develop stomach ulcers in response to the stress. Normally reared rats, meanwhile, experienced no ulceration at all. Unexpectedly, those same early-weaned rats were then less vulnerable to ulcers in adulthood, when approximately 50% of normally reared rats experienced ulceration, suggesting they may have become less stress-responsive with age.

This is just one of many studies that are incredibly useful and insightful.

[qarium]

It depends on if you think it's funny to watch someone with no legs claim that they can walk.

you talk like you are a person with IQ of 220 and a master degree in STEM/computer science and math
and anyone who has even only IQ of 219 is a person for you with no legs who claims he can walk.

thats some kind of Elitism. maybe you think a person without IQ220 and master degree in STEM is not allowed to do anything also not writing in the phoronix forum.

and you write about hitler and superiority later in this post.

maybe you are the one who believes in his own superiority.

this kind of arrogance in most cases result is something like you do not want to chat with me because i am to stupid for you.

You didn't define anything. Grassroot in this case is just a buzzword.
What you've just said: you'd like uneducated people to make legal decisions that have a lasting impact that can cause ripples for generations, and you'd like those educated people to suddenly just decide that THEY'RE the ones who make (interpret) the rules now!
Sure, I bet that will go great. Let me know if you survive the purge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grassroots_democracy

it is very easy what i talk about. i am sure you can unterstand.

right now we life in system of the elites means all the elites from judges and soldiers and police make a oath on the elite made constituion what has no grassroot democracy legitimisation what so ever...
Historically it was always Elites who had the political power if a government switched to a different government then it was only the kind of elites who switches...

Blue Nobility (Monarchy) (class of elites)
Red Nobility (communism) (class of elites)
spiritual/religius elites (Theocraty)
Digital Nobility (facebook/twitter/google)
Banking elites (Rothschilds)
energy monopoly elites (rockenfeller)
Industrial and corporate elites (corporatism)
... and so one and so one.

it was only the 1% the elites who was in power and this 1% always just changed color.
the 99% was never in power. also all the constituions also only where made by these elites.
there was not a single constitution made by the 99% and not some elites.

I didn't say that using an AI to judge us was necessarily a bad thing. I mocked your framing of the whole issue of being between three choices. No. You have people in charge and if you aren't in charge then perhaps you never deserved to be in charge.

in the last 3000 years we can say for sure that the cases of people in charge abuse their power was always part of human history. not a single one of them deserved to be in charge.

how do you detect if someone deserve to be in charge ?
because its clear a good school degree or good university degree DOES NOT say anything about your character.
the greatest assholes on earth can have good school degree and good university degree.

That's exactly right, individuals, as well as groups, are stupid. The difference is the group is more stupider because of herd mentality:
What this means is no matter how high your IQ is, you get into a group, there is an extremely high chance that you'll be swept up in the emotions and act in a way that you never would have as an individual.

thats depent on your character some people are totale resistant to these effects.
my person for example i am a very autistic person resistant to any of these group behaviorism.
(i do not care if you do not believe this)

but i get the point groups are stupid and individuals are stupid to and in your view even some authistic nerds are stupid to and manipulated by eveil emotions.

What? How could realizing that you have flaws be a nightmare? Do you know how hard it is to solve a problem when you don't realize you have a problem?!

i think in your world all people have flaws but maybe maybe you are not. maybe you do not even have problems. who knows?

And, you're a liar, everyone has an ego.

i said it in the meaning of an ego who can be hurt. and also are you SURE that everyone has an ego ?
i thing some people clearly have not... would be funny to watch to to proof that really anyone has an ego.

I think what you write is based on nothing but ideas that pop into your head.

and you write stuff what does not pop into your head? what are you some kind of zombie or you are a chat bot/ai ?

But you don't even understand how people interact, like something as basic as choosing a leader, while still suggesting that your way is the best way.

i asked you multible times how you choose your leader? how do you do it ?

Maybe you need to learn why the current way is the way it is and then go from there. Or, better yet, try to disprove your hypothesis. Find out where your own theory breaks down and you won't be so demolished the next time you try to argue with a random person who cares just enough because for some reason you feel the need to spam your conspiracy garbage all over this site like verbal diarrhea without having someone put your ideas back in the sewer where they belong.
If someone on here was claiming race superiority I would do the same thing. I don't want people to associate phoronix with you.

what kind of conspirancy do you mean ? the reality that we have court system based on the sea trade law who the court room is by definition a ship and the Judge is a captain and you are not human but instead you are a "person" what is defined as a thing and the Elites claim they are the Administrator of their person with life certificate and because of this the court judge have no power to rule over these elites ? in our justice system your life certificate beeing dies civil death at 7 years old and after this you are only a person what is defined as a thing...

our justice system makes the Distinction between:

Person (who died the civil death at 7 years old) defined as a thing
Human with life certificate
Administrator of their person

and the Judge as captain of the ship court room is also only on the Administrator and is not allowed to judge over other Administrators...

well if you really unterstand our justice system then you can no longer sleep at night.

but 99,99% of all people know nothing about this and they believe it is all normal and they have all rights.
what is clearly wrong humans and administrators have much more rights than a person.