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  • #91
    Deserved for using Rust tbh.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Flaburgan View Post

      I always wondered why so many people / project use webkit and not gecko when they need a webengine. In your case, is it only because that's what QtWebEngine uses? Did you consider using Gecko or Servo?
      Embedding Gecko is a lot harder than WebKit. Downplaying embedding was for long a deliberate decision (which I violently disagreed with). Lately we have reversed course on it but we've got a lot of ground to cover to match WebKit there.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by krOoze View Post
        How did you even say that with a straight face.
        Sorry, I didn't mean to say Poland is great. I only meant that it is better in a relative way.

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        • #94
          This probably should refer to web engines. There are many browser implementations, e.g. the fairly decent Gnome Web.
          Of course, none can touch the ecosystem/featureset of Firefox or Chrome.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Flaburgan View Post
            I always wondered why so many people / project use webkit and not gecko when they need a webengine. In your case, is it only because that's what QtWebEngine uses?
            At the time, Firefox was such a dud speed and rendering-wise that I had zero interest in pursuing any Firefox engine. The Rust content also turns me off because I'd have to pull in a whole other pile of development tools on my computer and pay for all the added data usage keeping that pile of stuff up-to-date on my computer, not to mention climbing the learning curve.

            My attempt at a custom web browser was mostly just because I ran into some example code in Qt that looked easy to customize (an assumption that later turned out to be false, thanks to Google's back-handed engineering upstream).

            Originally posted by Flaburgan View Post
            Did you consider using Gecko or Servo?
            I'm a C++ programmer who loves Qt. Why should I consider Gecko or Servo?

            If anything, I'm somewhat inclined to try using WebKit, since there are a few third party attempts at keeping Qt WebKit alive. Hopefully WebKit isn't likely to have Google pushing dubious "security" features and bloat into it upstream.

            Of course, data wise, it might be cheapest just to start diff-ing the Qt Web Engine source code from Qt 5.14 and the prior known good source code to find what Google changed (I already have copies of said source code from downloading Qt source). Given the difficulty it takes to compile though, I haven't been super excited to invest the effort yet.
            Last edited by ed31337; 08-12-2020, 11:59 AM.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Flaburgan View Post
              I don't get your argument, when you install packages on your computer, you get the binary and that's fine. Maybe you would like to improve WebAssembly by asking for the sources at the same time at the binary, but that doesn't make it "broken by design", or every compiled software would be broken...
              Not that it is even fair comparison. Binaries are (actual) assembly (which differs per CPU) and are not (historically) sandboxed properly. WebAssembly is more like an intermediate language, which might actually be easier to parse for automated tools than a high-level language.

              Originally posted by starshipeleven View Post
              Sorry, I didn't mean to say Poland is great. I only meant that it is better in a relative way.
              Yea, but it is not quite fair and bit insensitive to compare to states that were ravaged by nationalism and religious unrest in the south (PS: and those are not even technically post-soviet). It is no like Poland "outplaned" itself out of these problems; it simply didn't have them in the first place.
              Otherwise Poland is somewhere down there with Bulgaria and Romania, which is not all that great, relatively speaking.
              Last edited by krOoze; 08-12-2020, 12:09 PM.

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              • #97
                Maybe it is time to donate to people created the software we are using daily. In the down turn of market, it is much harder for free software developers to survive. We don't want to see things happens like Firefox disappears.

                It should be possible to add an option to collect some donation when a software has been used for several months.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by gwelter View Post

                  Just type 'thisisunsafe' in the Chrome window with the certificate warning. This should unlock the way to proceed with an invalid certificate.
                  I can't. I am on a phone.


                  Hack-bringing up the on-screen keyboard and typing "thisisunsafe" does not work either, and I don't feel like bringing my huge keyboard to do that.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by uid313 View Post

                    Mozilla's CEO Michell Baker salary plotted against the market share of Firefox.
                    Mozilla management is doing their best to ruin Firefox.

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                    • Originally posted by goTouch View Post
                      It should be possible to add an option to collect some donation when a software has been used for several months.
                      I imagine that'd be a PR disaster with the core of Firefox's remaining support. These are the strongest "It's my damn computer. It will obey me people."

                      (I'm one of them. Guess what... I maintain a permanent blacklist for every company that manages to sneak an ad through my multiple layers of ad-blocking to annoy me... like a certain "anyone can build a website" company that made heavy use of YouTube sponsorships in the era before the SponsorBlock extension.)

                      That's not to say that I'm cheap... but if you invade my sanctuary away from the hyper-commercialization of media that you can't install an ad-blocker on, you're never getting one red cent from me.

                      (TL;DR: If I want to donate, I'll come to you. If you have anything more visible than a PayPal or Patreon badge/button button on your website, or a "Donate..." entry in your "Help" menu, you're not getting any money from me and I'll try to recommend competitors. Yes, I'm that spiteful.)
                      Last edited by ssokolow; 08-12-2020, 08:30 PM.

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