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  • #51
    Originally posted by cynic View Post

    yep. moreover, the EEE practice have been largely proved and documented so we know that this is not paranoid but a real fact
    Yes, but the worst part about those chanting "Embrace Extend Extinguish" on every Microsoft-related thread is that it's unimaginative. Allowing for the sake of argument that Microsoft are indeed as evil as they used to be — don't you think you're doing yourself a huge disservice by assuming that they're not clever enough to have developed new strategies over the years? Why are you so determined to underestimate your enemy?

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Delgarde View Post

      Yes, but the worst part about those chanting "Embrace Extend Extinguish" on every Microsoft-related thread is that it's unimaginative. Allowing for the sake of argument that Microsoft are indeed as evil as they used to be — don't you think you're doing yourself a huge disservice by assuming that they're not clever enough to have developed new strategies over the years? Why are you so determined to underestimate your enemy?
      You're right, maybe they'll surprise us all with a whole new strategy, we can't judge on suspects.

      But Microsoft has become so boring to my eyes, that it's hard for me imagine that they invented something new at all. So, that's my bias towards the good old EEE.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by cynic View Post

        You're right, maybe they'll surprise us all with a whole new strategy, we can't judge on suspects.

        But Microsoft has become so boring to my eyes, that it's hard for me imagine that they invented something new at all. So, that's my bias towards the good old EEE.
        Did Microsoft allow native DirectX implementation / support by GPU drivers on Linux? Why MS develops DirectX only for WSL?

        EEE strategy comes, but in a different flavour,... open-source playground has different rules. Microsoft loves open-source, the new playground for them. The another challenge for the monopoly strategy.

        Nowadays, and probably also in the past, applications are picked with the goal to achieve the greatest productivity (gain / time+material) , cooperation within teams, easy to maintain eco-system,... So, MS will Extend open-source projects with integrations of own proprietary products, and these extensions will be providing greater productivity. The Extinguish phase will come when the most of open-source projects will provide heavily impaired productivity, when not integrated with proprietary MS products.

        I wouldn't be surprised, if lots of open-source projects would be extended with DirectX-based-AI assistance, and therefore these applications would be fluently working only on Windows/WSL, but not on pure Linux.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by stargazer View Post

          I fully expect Microsoft will, in the next few years, do what Apple did years ago and switch their kernel. MS will use Linux due to how active development is. With their strategy of cloud services, it really makes no sense for them to maintain the expense of writing and maintaining their own kernel. I think they are just waiting until they can get all the pieces they need built for a smooth transition and some level of backwards compatibility.
          Hell will freeze over before. It'd mean opensourcing Windows, they are not going for it.

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          • #55
            Sure, it might be an EEE strategy. But why can they do this in the first place?
            Because everybody is complaining, nobody has even remotely a clue how to counteract and there is no authority which could implement this strategy. So let's all fall back to lamentations in some forums . . .

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            • #56
              Originally posted by stargazer View Post

              I fully expect Microsoft will, in the next few years, do what Apple did years ago and switch their kernel. MS will use Linux due to how active development is. With their strategy of cloud services, it really makes no sense for them to maintain the expense of writing and maintaining their own kernel. I think they are just waiting until they can get all the pieces they need built for a smooth transition and some level of backwards compatibility.
              Good theory... many folks I know have been saying the same thing. Windows will become a DE, much like KDE or GNOME. That way they'd have the best of both worlds. They've gotten some good press on what they've done with Edge, so why not. Here's an article talking about it: https://www.computerworld.com/articl...-on-linux.html
              Last edited by gbcox; 18 July 2020, 04:43 PM.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by Kemosabe View Post
                Sure, it might be an EEE strategy. But why can they do this in the first place?
                Because everybody is complaining, nobody has even remotely a clue how to counteract and there is no authority which could implement this strategy. So let's all fall back to lamentations in some forums . . .
                It's not lamentations over something in the past. It's a reminder to not forget the past, but more importantly, it is advice for the future. Microsoft is losing the server market, and badly. Even on Microsoft's own cloud platform Azure, Linux makes up >50% of the hosted instances. Yes, Windows is the minority market share even on Microsoft's own public cloud! They will do anything and everything they can to turn the tide.

                Do not trust Microsoft, do not assist them, do not integrate with them, because in the end, they want to replace Linux with WSL. The day when commercial applications require WSL, is the day Linux dies.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by torsionbar28 View Post
                  Whether you like the message or not, it is just as relevant today as it was 20 years ago. Microsoft's track record speaks for itself in this regard.
                  Originally posted by cynic View Post
                  are you saying that referring to EEE is being paranoid?
                  If Microsoft has been EEE'ing for 20 years, they're taking their good, old time or they really suck at it. Or maybe, just maybe, there's no way they can ever stamp out FOSS.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by kravemir View Post
                    I wouldn't be surprised, if lots of open-source projects would be extended with DirectX-based-AI assistance, and therefore these applications would be fluently working only on Windows/WSL, but not on pure Linux.
                    But what would those products be? Most Windows users have no need for native Linux applications on their system - popular open-source applications like LibreOffice, VLC, Firefox and Krita are already available in native versions - the people using WSL are likely a small group of system admins, computer enthusiasts and programmers. How is them using WSL for specific tasks going to seriously undermine the Linux ecosystem?

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Cattus_D View Post

                      But what would those products be? Most Windows users have no need for native Linux applications on their system - popular open-source applications like LibreOffice, VLC, Firefox and Krita are already available in native versions - the people using WSL are likely a small group of system admins, computer enthusiasts and programmers. How is them using WSL for specific tasks going to seriously undermine the Linux ecosystem?
                      That's just one part of a puzzle,... It's not an exhaustive list, but only a concept applied on one specific technology, and it's not worth the time to list all parts in a post of some forum...

                      However, I'm not Microsoft's strategist on monopolization, and there definitely are much more strategies in MS's arsenal,... But, if I were one, then I wouldn't reveal my nefarious intentions and plans, in order to keep people blind and don't see it coming.

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