systemd-oomd Looks Like It Will Come Together For systemd 247

[jacob]

In very good reason. Systemd is bsd cancer and should take to appropriately .... Get rid of it.

What exactly does systemd have to do with bsd?

[rtfazeberdee]

If you think systemd killing process is a disaster waiting to happen, you won't believe what disasters the kernel OOM actually does reliably. Like soft-locking the system in an unresponsive mode if there is swap at all.

Not everyone enjoys babysitting a machine that can and should deal with it on its own

yep, the anti-system trolls who think they are being clever seem to forget software is supposed to make your life easier and more automated, maybe they need to go back to using a slate and chalk to keep themselves artificially busy.

[starshipeleven]

To me, Poetterings ideas about systemd removing "pointless differences between distributions" is like a cancer on what makes Linux distributions great.

There is meaningful differences (what actually matters for an user), like for example Yast and other applications developed by distro developers that help manage the system, or custom user interface.
And there is pointless differences, like packaging, places where libraries and configs are stored, init scripts to manage services, ways to boot a fucking linux kernel, scripts to generate the initramfs, and so on.

[starshipeleven]

OK. But hanging / crashing servers can really help choosing quality vendors next time..

Which is why you need a decent OOM management, it's better to restart a misbehaving application (or a container) that hangs than freeze a whole server because the payload application is a shitshow.

[r08z]

Those are the *nix admin fanboys for you. They have no clue about how the kernel works, they think they know it all because they read Bach's "The Design of the UNIX Operating System" back in 1986, they never developed any software other than a Perl script, they will fight tooth and nail for the idea that vi is the latest and greatest in UI design, but they believe that they are some sort of elite and that the world should reverently listen to them.

If anyone around here is acting like an Elitist, is YOU. Do you know them personally? How can you access their programming skills based on their hatred for bad software/code? Your bias for Poettering-ware makes you rush to judgment against people who probably have a better understanding of kernel code than you. You're a toxic individual. Go back to your office desk job doing repetitive functions with one hand on the mouse and the other between your legs.

[starshipeleven]

Those are the *nix admin fanboys for you. They have no clue about how the kernel works, they think they know it all because they read Bach's "The Design of the UNIX Operating System" back in 1986, they never developed any software other than a Perl script, they will fight tooth and nail for the idea that vi is the latest and greatest in UI design, but they believe that they are some sort of elite and that the world should reverently listen to them.

Also called Veteran Unix Admins

(not real sysadmins)

[starshipeleven]

If anyone around here is acting like an Elitist, is YOU. Do you know them personally? How can you access their programming skills based on their hatred for bad software/code? Your bias for Poettering-ware makes you rush to judgment against people who probably have a better understanding of kernel code than you. You're a toxic individual. Go back to your office desk job doing repetitive functions with one hand on the mouse and the other between your legs.

He is talking about a specific class of trolls that pretend to be veteran Unix admins just to shit over systemd, and it's very apparent that they don't know what they are talking about from the bs they post, regardless of their opinions of systemd.

[r08z]

He is talking about a specific class of trolls that pretend to be veteran Unix admins just to shit over systemd, and it's very apparent that they don't know what they are talking about from the bs they post, regardless of their opinions of systemd.

And do you have any examples? How can you say they don't know anything about programing based on someone's hatred of systemd? You people make me laugh with your bs;

Person hates systemd = not real sysadmins / not a programmer / doesn't know what he's talking about.

Person loves systemd = beyond Dennis Ritchie level of understanding *nix code / knows what he's talking about, I can trust him.

[starshipeleven]

How can you say they don't know anything about programing based on someone's hatred of systemd?

Can you fucking read?

I said "it's very apparent that they don't know what they are talking about from the bs they post, regardless of their opinions of systemd."

And you, good sir are proving my point. Strawmanning like that is bs regardless of your opinions of systemd.

[r08z]

Can you fucking read?

I said "it's very apparent that they don't know what they are talking about from the bs they post, regardless of their opinions of systemd."

And you, good sir are proving my point. Strawmanning like that is bs regardless of your opinions of systemd.

And you don't have examples. Have a nice day, sir.