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  • #11

    Originally posted by vladpetric View Post
    As much as I dislike software patents, comparing it to something that's killed ~500k people (official numbers; real numbers from China/Iran/Russia are likely much higher) in ~5 months and worldwide shows no signs of abating, is highly inappropriate.

    Keep in mind that there's also the Bilski vs Kappos decision, which does reduce the bite of software patents.
    It's not a metaphorical / seemly comparison: The medical software patents are preventing researchers from doing their jobs by restricting access to certain necessary features. Imagine having static analysis exclusively tied to a certain proprietary compiler: How many bugs would end up in critical systems?

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    • #12
      Originally posted by c117152 View Post


      It's not a metaphorical / seemly comparison: The medical software patents are preventing researchers from doing their jobs by restricting access to certain necessary features. Imagine having static analysis exclusively tied to a certain proprietary compiler: How many bugs would end up in critical systems?
      What medical software patents? Can you quote some?

      This is not about a hypothetical.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by vladpetric View Post
        As much as I dislike software patents, comparing it to something that's killed ~500k people (official numbers; real numbers from China/Iran/Russia are likely much higher) in ~5 months and worldwide shows no signs of abating, is highly inappropriate.
        Keep in mind that there's also the Bilski vs Kappos decision, which does reduce the bite of software patents.
        We live in times where every moral crusader is supercharging and overloading their arguments with such types of exaggerated comparisons, trying to paint their adversaries as monsters. I tend to dislike software patents, but this kind of reasoning is getting old. It tends to make people view your argument in a bad light.

        How about just stating that patents in this context are harmful to actual patients? A good utilitarian argument based on costs and benefits is enough.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by insilications View Post

          We live in times where every moral crusader is supercharging and overloading their arguments with such types of exaggerated comparisons, trying to paint their adversaries as monsters. I tend to dislike software patents, but this kind of reasoning is getting old. It tends to make people view your argument in a bad light.

          How about just stating that patents in this context are harmful to actual patients? A good utilitarian argument based on costs and benefits is enough.
          man we have been living in those times for a very long time. go look at the universal healthcare debate back around 2010 where the D's where saying R's wanted to push grandma off a cliff for not supporting universal healthcare. most people i know on the right oppose universal healthcare because they simply don't trust government / politicians to take care of people. to not abuse their power. not because they want to push grandma off a cliff. they just generally believe the private market is safer. then you have R's calling D's communist because they support universal healthcare. conflating welfare with socialism / marxism / democrat socialism / whatever is the current PC term for it. which is also ridiculous. many D's view privatization failing people when it comes to healthcare and people would be better off pulling together via taxes to ensure people have proper treatment. not that they want a complete government take over of the entire system / economy / your life.

          but it is what it is. everyone wants to paint those who they don't like as the worst thing imaginable. straight up demonizing. they do it to try to shut down opposition and debate. its a tactic authoritarians use. they don't care about the long term damage of doing such tactics. its easier to go the route of demonizing, slander, and brutality than it is to try to have civil discussions and generally thinking about things. taking both sides seriously with respect. but that requires people to view each other as friends / family / basic kindess. rather than an enemy and this is a war that needs to be won.
          Last edited by middy; 06-23-2020, 03:51 AM.

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          • #15
            Historical data shows that whenever a (new) technology is patented the development of this technology completely stops until the patent has expired or is lifted. Thus patenting software is a great way to halt software development. Only those developers working for the patent owners are allowed to develop and only in way the patent holder defines. It is all about control and profit (money).

            Sometimes there are some sane people holding patents that realize this and make their patents free for everyone to use. A fairly recent example of this is Tesla, by releasing their patents they paved the way for other manufacturers and car developers to expand the development and use of electric cars and other technology based on their patents i.e. batteries and electric drive mechanisms.

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            • #16
              FSF used to stand for something, now that they managed to kick Richard Stallman out somehow, it's just a sjw ragemob, if you were expecting the FSF to ever do or claim anything sensible ever again, get ready to have your hopes dashed, because it ain't gonna happen.

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              • #17
                The whole US patent system is just garbage.

                Hearing that they patent every little thing, even match is insane and makes me have no trust in them at all.
                In any case software patents are stupid and should not even exist.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by vladpetric View Post

                  What medical software patents? Can you quote some?

                  This is not about a hypothetical.
                  For example Image registration and image segmentation is used in medical image processing (think processing images acquired by using Computer Tomography (CT) or Magnetic Resonance Tomography), and there are many patents related to this:

                  https://patents.google.com/?q=image+...+registration+
                  https://patents.google.com/?q=image+...+segmentation+

                  Incidentally, lung CT images can be used to diagnose COVID-19, and using these methods could be used to automatize and simplify part of this diagnosis.


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                  • #19
                    Also, there have been more than a few news articles posted in the last few months about 'novel AI' algorithms being used to detect COVID-19 in x-ray images, with presumably pending patents (judging by their US big tech research sponsors).

                    There's a reason most countries have utterly rejected the mere concept of software patents. Obsession with patents is one of the many forms of US self-harm.

                    In the Netherlands, we have a nice saying, "nood breekt de wet", translated: "emergency breaks the law". It's about time the US populace stops self-flagellating and joins the rest of the world in some (deserved) self-respect.

                    Willingly breaching software parents in civil disobedience is probably the far easiest step, as the legal threats are frankly (and practically) non-existent, even in the US.
                    Last edited by Remdul; 06-23-2020, 10:24 AM.

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                    • #20
                      Just like the FSF sjw ragemob to exploit a horrible crisis for their suspect agendas
                      Last edited by NotMine999; 06-23-2020, 12:53 PM. Reason: Another poster suggested "sjw ragemob" for FSF and I like it

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