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  • increasechief
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    Originally posted by SteamPunker View Post
    Microsoft is no longer a threat to open source. I'm not claiming that because I'm naive, it's simply because Microsoft's interests no longer conflict, and in some ways now even happen to coincide, with those of the open source community.
    No, you are naive. Everything's good until it isn't.

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  • Mez'
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    Originally posted by Vistaus View Post

    "WE"? Speak for yourself. I, for one, welcome MS Office for Linux.
    This has nothing to do with open or closed. I don't (didn't) care about using Netflix, Spotify or fglrx for that matter as long as it works.

    But LO >>>> MSO. If given a choice, hell, If I had to pay twice the price for LO, I would pick it any day of the century.
    Sure, it's not as appealing aesthetically, sure it needs a bit of a learning curve to find your MSO functions back. But then, damn! When you need to produce advanced documents, it's at least 25-30% faster to do it (for me). And more importantly, I don't want to smash everything around me every 10 minutes because MSO assumes something entirely different from what I expect or asked.

    If this horrible piece of software is brought to Linux, it will enforce its monopoly and I will be forced to use it for as long as I live. Hell no! WORST case scenario.
    I've used that crap for long enough (25 years, including 12 years being forced to).

    I'd rather we keep on trying to advertise LO (even if it means struggling for market share for many more years).
    Last edited by Mez'; 15 May 2020, 04:09 PM.

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  • TemplarGR
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    There is nothing wrong with selling closed source software that runs over open source software. I would gladly buy Office if it was officially ported on Linux, and i needed the extra functionality compared to opensource solutions. Opensource is preferable but not every product and need can be accommodated by open source. Developing some kinds of software is expensive and if it gets opensourced for free then the developers will go bankrupt. Of course stuff like the Linux kernel get support from many wealthy companies but these companies did not originally develop the kernel, and they benefit from it as much as they contribute to it. You can't expect Microsoft developers to work hard to make Office and distribute it for free.

    I don't understand the hate Microsoft is receiving. Yes it is the kewl thing to do in Linux forums, but it is stupid. They can't just opensource everything, even if they wanted to, they are obliged by law to maximize profits for their shareholders, giving away their softwares for free will make them liable for lawsuits. So unless they can prove opensource benefits them or at least isn't costing them more than it benefits them, then they can't opensource anything.

    In my opinion Microsoft is on the road to transform Windows into a Linux distro. This obviously is a slow process, but the writing has been on the wall for some time now. They don't plan on replacing Windows 10 with a newer version. Windows 10 is the last of the NT versions. They are releasing service packs, yes, but they aren't selling a new version, anyone who has Windows 10 can keep using them for many years, how that profits Microsoft?

    I think Microsoft is behind the scenes trying to make a Linux distro which uses their own proprietary userland. Obviously they will transfer D3D12 Ultimate to it as well, and their driver model. That way Microsoft can keep the advantage of hardware and software compatibility, while minimizing development costs considerably. It is the smart thing to do. Their main revenue is the cloud and non-windows products now anyways.

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  • SteamPunker
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    I know that almost all responses here have been dismissive of Microsoft. And I concur that they have done some pretty nasty things over the years, including going as far as needlessly integrating a web browser in an OS, just to destroy Netscape, and in doing so not only killing a competitor and holding back the web for about a decade, but also unleashing an untold number of needless security headaches upon the world.

    But let's give credit where credit is due. This is an actual admission that they were wrong and that they regret those words. And I have to say, I've been liking the new Microsoft since Satya Nadella took over the helm. Although at the end of the day they are a large publicly traded company that will of course put the interests of their shareholders first, the means through which they have been doing so has made them far less of an evil company than Facebook, Amazon and, sorry to say, also Google these days.

    Linus Torvalds once said: "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." And by that metric, Microsoft has been putting their money where their mouth is. Aren't they one of the largest contributors to the development of the Linux kernel these days? Visual Studio Code has been by far the most heavily developed open source project on GitHub in the last few years, IMO even having reached the point where it may start cannibalizing revenues from the commercial Visual Studio IDE.

    Plus .NET is now entirely open source. Which is especially nice, considering another company that is many times more evil and a much bigger threat to Open Source at the moment:

    Oracle.

    Thanks to their greed, the worldwide software development community is now holding its breath, pending an upcoming decision of the Supreme Court of the United States, regarding the question whether APIs are copyrightable. If the decision ends up being favor of Oracle, it will be desastrous to the entire software industry, not to mention the open source community. And all of this due to Oracle's greed and spite for not having profited off the success of Android.

    Microsoft is no longer a threat to open source. I'm not claiming that because I'm naive, it's simply because Microsoft's interests no longer conflict, and in some ways now even happen to coincide, with those of the open source community. Will that change again eventually? Perhaps. But for now, Oracle is the company we should all be rooting against, and against those scumbags, I welcome almost any ally, including Microsoft.

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  • JustinTurdeau
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    Originally posted by AdamOne View Post
    Stop being so emotional people, at least that idiot Balmers' stance on open source is destroyed by the MS president.
    Saying "GivE MiCrOsoFT aNoTheR cHaNCe GuYS -- THeY'vE ChaNGeD!!1" is actually the emotional response. Not trusting them after 2 decades of being led by absolute psychopaths is just the sane thing to do.

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  • k1e0x
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    Sorry.. I don't trust commercial software vendors to do anything that isn't in their own interest. The corporate structure just doesn't allow that, irregardless of the people who do it.

    Be it Microsoft, Intel, Google or even RedHat (IBM)

    If the choice is ever between the right thing to do (that does not cause them harm) and the profitable thing, a public company must chose the profitable thing to answer to their shareholders.

    And I'm not some commie, I believe good honest business is a benefit to everyone, but I don't believe for an instant any one of these companies wouldn't want to dominate open source projects in an abusive controlling way for their own bottom line.

    OpenSource survives by competition between these powers. If one ever takes a majority control (Looking at you Google Chrome) we are in trouble.
    Last edited by k1e0x; 15 May 2020, 02:50 PM.

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  • AdamOne
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    Originally posted by gnarlin View Post
    Is Windows or Microsoft Office Free software yet? No? Guess this guff is so much hot air from the rear then. So much for the importance of "open source". I'm sure they enjoy making money from Gnu+linux on their stupid online virtual machine and virtual container service.
    Ironically those vindicated feel more emotionally hurt than the original offender. _Stop being so emotional people, at least that idiot Balmers' stance on open source is destroyed by the MS president.

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  • increasechief
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    Originally posted by stormcrow View Post

    Office 365 and all the apps that accompany it all run very well on Linux in a browser window
    You've clearly never tried to format a document layout in the outrageously limiting version of what passes for Office online.

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  • onlyLinuxLuvUBack
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    Originally posted by JustinTurdeau View Post

    I just push to GitLab and have it push to the mirrors. I also make sure to use the GitHub repo as a big ad for GitLab.
    What about https://codeberg.org/ , hosted in europe maybe safe from microsoft except munich.

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  • bnolsen
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    Just because they admit things doesn't mean they can be trusted. Their current strategy is to again use corporate managers to force adoption of windows because apparently you can seamlessly develop for any platform using windows.

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